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By William Gregg

Much has been made about Sen. John McCain’s expertise in foreign policy and his ability to keep the country secure. It is my contention that his performance in the debate on Sept. 26 should cast serious doubts about his ability to play an effective role in international relations. He repeatedly stated that as president he would insure that our military would be able to march out of Iraq after obtaining a victory. I would like to have Sen. McCain describe what he means by victory.

His statement sounds very much like those made by some after the Vietnam War. Namely, that the military could have achieved victory if only they had been allowed. Does Sen. McCain want to try to accomplish in Iraq (a military victory) what we were unable to accomplish in Vietnam? If so, he may have to (as he stated earlier) keep troops there for a hundred years and turn Iraq into a prison camp.

At present the surge has lessened the incidents of violence. How long will those decreases in violence last if those who oppose our presence (a majority of Iraqis?) believed that we were planning a prolonged stay? What will happen when the surge is over and we begin to withdraw troops? President Bush declined to start the reduction until after the election.

The days of the super colonial power that could maintain order simply by sending gunboats and troops is over. The Russian experience in Afghanistan proved that. It is time for us to truly elect a president in the image of Teddy Roosevelt: “Speak softly and carry a big stick.” In the Sept. 26 debate Sen. Obama stated that a president should be willing to use the country’s military, but only when the expending of the lives of American troops was absolutely necessary for the security of the country and the safety of her citizens.

Sen. Obama explained that as president he would have the right (and some feel the duty) to explore the channels of diplomacy whenever there was a chance that the country’s aims and security could be achieved without sending soldiers into harm’s way. In response, Sen. McCain repeatedly misinterpreted Sen. Obama’s statements by saying that it was naïve of Sen. Obama to sit down face-to-face with our enemy. Was Sen. McCain being deliberately obtuse or does he really believe that trying to negotiate instead of taking military action is not an option he would choose if he were president? Either way, he would be a dangerous man to be in charge of maintaining our country’s safety and having his finger on “the button.”

Mothers and fathers, please think about my point of view before you cast your vote for the next commander in chief.

(Gregg lives in Napa.)

189 comment(s)

kevin wrote on Oct 9, 2008 4:57 AM:

" B.O. is the dangerous candidate, Gregg. He is the one who has stated he would sit down and talk to various pyscho tryrants WITH NO PRECONDITIONS. When you consider B.O.'s idiotic position on the "surge" ("it was a failure", "it was a success", "I still wouldn't vote for it") it is obvious that B.O.'s lack of experience makes him an unsuitable candidate and too dangerous to elect president... "

amigo wrote on Oct 9, 2008 7:46 AM:

" Obama said in a speach july 2 in colorada...
We need a "Civilian Nation Security Force" greater the size as the united states military.
Very interesting statement. "

freeport56 wrote on Oct 9, 2008 8:29 AM:

" B.Hussein obama is the most dangerous man in America. He sees nothing wrong with;

1. Being good friends with a domestric terrorist.

2. Hiding his college and law school records.

3. has a bill pending in the Senate for $895 Billion to turn the money over to the U.N. to end world poverty.

4. Partitioning Jeruselum for the palestinians.

5. Willingness to negotiate with terrorist!

6. Fiscal policies that will crush our economy "

Sandra wrote on Oct 9, 2008 8:32 AM:

" Obama also announced for all the world to hear that he would go in and attack the taliban in Pkakistan if they were unable to do so.....Well that sure is speaking softly, isn't it? Hello.....perhaps that is exactly what we should do if that circumstance arises....I am just wondering..... Is it Obamas Plan to announce all his stratigic moves to the enemy, before he carries them out? Now that's effective, huh? "

Common Sense wrote on Oct 9, 2008 8:35 AM:

" At least John McCain isn't allies with domestic terrorists. "

Newview wrote on Oct 9, 2008 9:14 AM:

" Gregg has a very good point. Some must remember that Sen. McCain experience a life altering experience. And those experiences affect the decisions we make in the future. ALQADA is still alive, the head of the snake lives, does that make strategical sense to anyone? The war on terror is paying millions of bounties however we have only a 5% success rate. Your average Americian does not understand the level of economics backing the GHAD. For example Saudi Royals distribute money to their tribes people, then the tribes people give money at the mosque to the Mullahs and then some Mullahs contribute to the GHAD. Self-Regenerating war. Even better than that, in many ways American business is helping to create a system of recycling the war. Some Arab countries profit from American business then distribute those profits to their tribes people, then the tribes people give money at the mosque to the Mullahs and then some Mullahs contribute to the GHAD. So cannot you not see that there is more than one profit here? Here is a challenge, why is Osama Bin Ladin so important to the small group of strict and sect individuals, believers? Jihadist? Today in your conversations ask any individual you choose if they understand why Osama is so important to the movement that would go to any lengths for it's belief. I will post the answer tomorrow. "

rogers wrote on Oct 9, 2008 9:40 AM:

" As usual Kevin you misquote many sources. Even the other night in the town hall meeting Obama reiterated he would meet with the leaders of nations we don't agree with when preconditions showed doing so might prove favorable to negotiations.

A great military leader once said, "If you want to make peace, you don't talk to your friends. You talk to your enemies." Moshe Dayan (1915-1981)

Even General Patreus described the surge as a "fragile" success. What do you think that means?

Vietnam heroics aside, I think McCain is a shallow man. His choice for VP clearly underscores that. He could have made far better choices and had a real shot at the presidency. His lousy jokes and quick temper may impress his staff but not most of America.

And for all the delusions about being a maverick, he is nothing of the kind. A look at his overall voting record clearly shows him to be a mainstream Republican. No, I think Mr. Gregg is spot on.

Hey freeport56, how about an ORIGINAL opinion for once, not the same old avalanche of recycled talking points. "

musikluvr wrote on Oct 9, 2008 9:42 AM:

" Don't put a self avowed muslim with the middle name 'Hussein' in the white house. "

luv1mom wrote on Oct 9, 2008 9:42 AM:

" Kevin, freeport56, Sandra and (no)commonsense:

"Obama is the most dangerous man in America"

"At least John McCain isn't allies with domestic terrorists"

"B. Hussein Obama"

Keep on believing the lies. It scares me that there are people like you that continually buy into the lies and smears the rep ticket spouts. Such narrow mindedness is killing our country. I for one do not like the fact that the rest of the world hates America. If BO is elected, we will probably be received in a much better light than we are now. What the heck ARE we doing in Iraq? We never finished the job in Afghanistan! McCain is arrogant, rude, hotheaded, and will continue making the hole America is in even bigger. McCain has ruined his chance of becoming Pres due to his baseless attacks, lies, and his reckless choice of Palin as a running mate. Yeah, I want someone like that to lead my country. "

Raven wrote on Oct 9, 2008 9:50 AM:

" did you all get that out of your system? "

glenroy wrote on Oct 9, 2008 9:52 AM:

" More of the same jingo that got us into this mess….remember the Goldwater Mushroom Cloud…..Nixon’s Secret Plan to wage war on China…..Reagan’s First Strike Plan on the Soviets, for which President Carter and Senate Kennedy, both Obamites, called Comrade Brezhnev personally to seek what would have been the KGB aid to jack up anti Reagan Propaganda though Pravda’s ‘world socialist free press network‘….no doubt still the model by which the DNC churns out some of the most simpleton press releases in recent past.

The sad reality of American and World History is that the Democrat Party has caused more death and destruction here and abroad than any other freely and semi fairly elected party in human history…..yet they cling to the myth of Party of Peace….to the extent most of them went to Canada when called…they remain the Party of Peace.

Newview...beware what you ask for.... "

glenroy wrote on Oct 9, 2008 9:55 AM:

" LoL10x…………….McCain a shallow man….Obama not….LOL20x>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.an ACORN Organizer for President…..LOL30x. "

freeport56 wrote on Oct 9, 2008 10:00 AM:

" luv1mom-

While you seem to think these attacks are vbasesless, they are not. Like it or not we are all judged by the company we keep. In my post, all those items are true. there are articles on the web that site B. Hussein Obama's law scholl was paid for my interests in Saudi Arabia. As far as I am concerned his Certification of Birth is a fake document.

Above my fellow bloggers have spoken nothing but the truth. It is not our fault that the mainstream media has lost it's will to report the news impartially, but chose to have a liberal slant and wholely support B. Hussein Obama. While he speaks of a tax break for the middle class and higher taxes for business, you forget that the middle class does not create jobs, businesses do. his tax policies will crush business. His scoialist views, combined with his dubious circle of friends is a dangerous mix. i am sorry that you are sol blinded by this. Our current economic crisis was started in the Clinton Administration and exacerbated by the Democrats unwilling to lift a finger to correct the problems. "

freeport56 wrote on Oct 9, 2008 10:07 AM:

" As of July 14th when House banking Committee Barney Frank said that Freddie and Fannie had a doubious past, but were good investments going forward he was lying. Raines, Garelick, and Johnson all Clinton appointments tohead Fannie\Freddie "cooked the books" to make millions in bonuses for the bogus loans to underqualified home buyers.

It is easy to blame Bush as all the lefties hate him. It is a diversaion from the truth. As we slowly move toward socialism, the perpretrators of this monorous loss of our money get a pass. Voting for B Hussein Obama puts us at a greater economic risk, as he will not punish those in congress that committed these crimes against us. "

luv1mom wrote on Oct 9, 2008 10:19 AM:

" freeport56: I am curious as to why you refer to him as B. Hussein Obama? "

comment wrote on Oct 9, 2008 10:53 AM:

" Obama is not a friend of William Ayers. Yes, he knows him because they both worked together. The work they did was to benefit Chicago schools. William Ayers is now a teacher. Obama has not spoken to Ayers since 2005 and was never close to Ayers prior to that. Maybe some of you should stop listening to Fox News and read the actual NY Times article Sarah Palin was referencing. It reveals Obama never had a close relationship with Ayers.

One more thing. who cares what Obama's middle name is? He didn't choose it. That would be like refusing to speak to anyone with the last name Manson. If people with the middle name Hussein are terrible, then people with the last name of Manson must be even worse, right? "

Raven wrote on Oct 9, 2008 11:15 AM:

" guess not "

musikluvr wrote on Oct 9, 2008 11:34 AM:

" The second thing that scares me about Obama is that he is a charismatic speaker who will smile at you and charm you and talk for hours telling you exactly what you want to hear without stating one fact. The first thing that scares me is that Democrats are so hungry for government handouts that they will elect anyone the party nominates. "

kdbk wrote on Oct 9, 2008 11:44 AM:

" William. Let me help you. Victory occurs in a war when the opponent has been defeated and the decent, freedom-loving people of the region can proceed with the pursuit of happinness. Victory is very close at hand in Iraq. I realize that regardless of what actually happens there, that you will never consider it a "victory" because you hate Bush and by proxy you hate McCain.

William, don't you realize that John McCain has been one of the staunchest, most vocal opponents of Bush throughout the Iraq War? Do you care about that fact...it's on the record if you want to check. McCain constantly refuted the strategy that Bush was pursuing. He called for the surge and change in straegy. The surge and strategy promoted by McCain has proven a great success.

Your denial of any possible victory in Iraq makes it clear that you are not a student of history. "Victory" over the Axis powers in WWII took years to achieve and the aftermath of the actual fighting was very challenging indeed. The cultures of Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany were as fanatical and destructive as anything the Islamic Terrorists of the Middle East could ever imagine. Yet, they were defeated and today the nation's of Japan and Germany are prosperous members of the freedom-loving community of nations throughout the world. Come on, William, learn about that which you speak. "

JimClark wrote on Oct 9, 2008 1:18 PM:

" Well, the resurrection of Ronald Reagan would bring pretty much an end to the current crises. Democrats and Republicans are political factions. Conservatives and liberals are those who gave us our Constitution. Say what you will but Reagan laid a foundation that historical politicians still don’t seem to understand this very day. "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Oct 9, 2008 2:17 PM:

" JimmieC - Ronnie sure could turn a phrase couldn't he?

I thought he was foolish when he sent those Marines into Lebanon and so many of them were killed by a truck-bomb. But he stood up like a man, owned his mistake, apologized and withdrew the survivors. I thought "Well, he's dumb but at least honest."

Of course, things have gone downhill... Bush the Lesser is both dumb and dishonest.

Ronnie's the first guy who ran up huge deficits and made Republicans like it! I am not sure how that would help in our current fiscal crisis - maybe you could fill us in?

He's the first president to blatantly skirt the Constitution and evade laws passed by Congress, and gave fellas like Rumsfailed and D*ck Cheney their training wheels. We all know what a huge success the 'unitary executive' has been in foreign policy.

So while I enjoy the occasional Ronnie "Tear Down This Wall!" clip on David Letterman, I am not nearly as enthused about bringing Ronnie back as you.

~Ruff "

Hear Ye wrote on Oct 9, 2008 2:47 PM:

" It's funny that the conservative posters in here change tune right along with the McCain campaign. It looks like "supply-side" campaigning has finally trickled down to the average folk. Propaganda, smears, and lies may be effective at times on a national level but when you try it on a small town newspaper website it just makes reasonable people laugh at you. "

LMW wrote on Oct 9, 2008 3:04 PM:

" the man with the peace plan. "

a teacher wrote on Oct 9, 2008 3:06 PM:

" The right wing posters to this question have a cartoon version of Democrats, libereals, conservatives and the world in general.

Musikluvr:"Democrats are so hungry for government handouts that they will elect anyone the party nominates"

Glenroy:"The sad reality of American and World History is that the Democrat Party has caused more death and destruction here and abroad than any other freely and semi fairly elected party in human history…..yet they cling to the myth of Party of Peace….to the extent most of them went to Canada when called…they remain the Party of Peace."

Freeport:"It is easy to blame Bush as all the lefties hate him."

kdbk:I realize that regardless of what actually happens there, that you will never consider it a "victory" because you hate Bush and by proxy you hate McCain. "

It is difficult to take anything they say seriously. They believe anyone who doesn't see it their way is an idiot, traitor, weak, etc. They are completely out of touch with most Americans and as a result, they are going down to defeat this Nov. 4th. "

a teacher wrote on Oct 9, 2008 3:14 PM:

" kdbk: you make a false analogy to complare Iraq to Germany or Japan.

1) The USA never had to fight an insurgency in either country. Once the fighting was over, the populations in both nations cooperated with the occupying forces. That is plainly not true in Iraq.

2) The populations in Germany and Japan were homogeneous, not warring tribes.

3) The Amrican public was completely behind the effort. They had not been misled about it's cost and it's intent was clear.

Yes we could "win", the question is how long, how much and why. Right or wrong, it seems the American public has decided that it is not worth it and never was. "

freeport56 wrote on Oct 9, 2008 3:25 PM:

" For the record, it makes my stomach turn to think a man with an arabic name will be in the white house. Especially one who has gone to so much trouble to hide his relationships and his past.

rogers-

these are my thoughts. I am not some zombie that watches MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC, and CNN and believe I am weatching real news. I do my homework, review other sources, and make my own judgements. Besides, and more to the real point, I learned that we are judged by the company we keep. I am not impressed with the company that B.Hussein Obama keeps.

For crying out loud raines and Johnson louted Fannie Mae for millions and they are his economic advisers??? "

Sickothis wrote on Oct 9, 2008 3:51 PM:

" Keating 5 freeper. Keating 5.

Oh and by the way - news anchor Ray Suarez told a local crowd Wednesday The "pseudo controversies" about Obama's background are symbols for a "racial calculus" hard at work in U.S. politics. Opinions about Obama's inexperience, his childhood in Indonesia, and the persistent but untrue rumors of him being Muslim are stand-ins for something his detractors cannot admit, Suarez said.

Characterizing Obama as Muslim "is a way to confer otherness on him for those people who are uncomfortable saying they're against him because he's black."

Google is your friend here.

He is the senior correspondent for PBS's "News Hour with Jim Lehrer" and former host of NPR's "Talk of the Nation" program. "

freeport56 wrote on Oct 9, 2008 3:59 PM:

" a teacher-

do your homework regarding Germany. Soliders loyal to Germany after the war committed acts of terrorism and sabotage against the allies for several years following the war.

When this happened the allies would pull out of the town they were in, shell it for a few days and thyen return. After several times of this back and forth behavior the towns people would give up the terrorists, known as "Werewolves" to the allies. The History Channel actually did a documentary on it. "

PlasticPinkFlamingo wrote on Oct 9, 2008 4:18 PM:

" If Ayers and Obama are only casual acquaintances, how did Obama arrange to have one of his early campaign planning meetings in Ayers' kitchen?

ruff - wrong again. It was Abe Lincoln who was the first president to skirt the Constitution, and later on it was FDR who ignored the Constitution and greased the skids we are now sliding down into the morass of socialism.

We have so much more reason to fear for our country with Obama in the White House. He has so many ties to radical socialists in his background that he is now playing his own game of Whack-A-Mole to try to hide them. Of course, instead of dealing with questions when they come up he tries to call 'smear' and belittle the questioner. That's not going to work much longer as the questions pile up. And it's not a smear if it is the truth.

Fortunately more questions are coming to light. I have contacts in Chicago who are uncovering incontrovertable evidence that Obama was a member of the New Party, another radical socialist group. Obama's ties to ACORN are also beginning to get the attention they deserve.

Some of these commentaries and posts are so dripping with hate I wonder how you people sleep at night with so much acid buildup in your bodies. I don't hate Obama, but because he is not telling us the truth about his past, and the fact that he is a socialist make him the wrong choice to become the leader of our country. "

a teacher wrote on Oct 9, 2008 4:27 PM:

" Freeport: For the record. Barack is Swahili (that's the national language of Kenya, not an Arab country) for blessing. Obama is a Luo (the second largest tribe in Kenya, not Muslim or Arabic) name. Hussein is also a common name in Kenya.

Your bigotry is showing... "

comment wrote on Oct 9, 2008 4:35 PM:

" freeport56, "fair and balanced" Fox News is real news? Do you understand that the owner of Fox, Rupert Murdoch donates lots of money to the Republican Party? Fox News being fair and balanced is the biggest joke in media. "

freeport56 wrote on Oct 9, 2008 5:19 PM:

" comment-

Fox is much better at reporting the news than any other of the Obama news stattions.

Besides, you have all bought into this spin from the messiah. If he is that great let him open up his college and grad school files for transparency. Let him tell us who paid for his Harvard Law school education, it sure wasn't his grandparents or his drunk father.

How about the truth! "

comment wrote on Oct 9, 2008 5:40 PM:

" freeport56, I'm guessing you mean much better at reporting the news YOU want to hear. I personally don't follow the news stations much. You can get better and more in depth information from newspapers and their websites. "

merri wrote on Oct 9, 2008 6:22 PM:

" You know what McCain is friends with the worlds worst president ever now that's scary enough. I would rather have Obama befriend Osama Bin Laden then be in bed with da bushes. Remember keep your friends close and your foes closer. I really don't care for either and can only hope the world comes to an end so history can not be fouled by either of these two. "

bettye wrote on Oct 9, 2008 6:35 PM:

" Talk about a dangerous man ?? McCain is a loose cannon.. and as for Obama's name .I know lots of Hispanics who are named JESUS, does that mean they are more Christlike than we are? NO.. Not any more than "Hussien" makes Obama any more of a terriorst than the rest of us .Be honest ..Is it because he is black?? Remember.. GOD DON'T LIKE UGLY.. "

a teacher wrote on Oct 9, 2008 6:37 PM:

" freeport, I am shocked at the nastiness of your response. "

Sandra wrote on Oct 9, 2008 7:08 PM:

" TO NEW VIEW,
Why is Osama Bin Laden important? I am not quite sure where to begin…He is quite experienced in the art of terror. He has many connections to other terrorists, knows where the money is, how to distribute it, etc.

But in the larger scheme of things he really isn’t that important , as there are many more just like him who will step up into his position should something happen to him. It may cause the movement to flounder for a bit, but it will not end Islamic fascism.

So, I am not sure where you are heading with this. Radical Islam is a movement that started in the early 1900’s and has continued to gain momentum for many reasons. The answer to dismantling it are many faceted. I would not hazard to know all the answers. But I do know we cannot allow it to continue. We need to realize that Islamo Fascism has no intention of dealing honestly with us. We also need to address the economic issues of the average Muslim on the street. This is very difficult to do in Muslim countries controlled by wealthy ruling families that all have a stake in seeing terrorism continue. Encouraging democratic governments, such as Israel, Iraq, etc, in the middle east is a start. Helping people in countries not over run by Muslim rule with economic opportunities is a start. This will prevent Radical Muslims gaining a foothold.
(FYI it is Al Qaeda, and Jihad…..)
Is Obama the man that understands all of this? I am not sure he does..... "

comment wrote on Oct 9, 2008 7:30 PM:

" But John McCain does, Sandra? I don't think McCain has much knowledge, if any, of the things you mentioned. Bin Laden is a huge target. While others would step in and take his place, does that mean we shouldn't hunt Bin Laden? Of course it doesn't. Obama is more commited to this hunt than McCain is. McCain doesn't even bring up the fact that Bin Laden is still free. "

misfit wrote on Oct 9, 2008 7:46 PM:

" RIGHT ON Sickofthis!!! This is such a racial issue it isn't anything funny...except the rhetoric they spin trying to make it into something else. It's obvious now, with the events this week at McCain and Palin's rallys. A local sheriff called Obama by his middle name...(really stupid) 'cause you know Obama will be passing through there one day. Why would he try to incite the crowd in this way? Also, at another rally, someone yelled out "Terrorist" and the impotent McCain didn't do a thing to quell the hateful response from the crowd. At Palin's rally, someone yelled out, "Kill him" and I'm sure that sent tingles up her spine. She is truly evil and will have to atone someday. She calls herself Christian when someone yells out to murder Obama and she doesn't put an end to that kind of thing. Anyway it does prove that these Obama detractors are indeed racially motivated. You can't convince me of anything else at this point and it is scary. How hateful they can be when they can no longer talk about real issues and instead go for character assassination and who knows what next. I don't trust any of them.
They have no credibility whatsoever and at this point, I am simply closed off to them. They have lost it and I just need to get through the next 25 days or so. "

misfit wrote on Oct 9, 2008 7:50 PM:

" musikluvr...go play some music. Your time has come and gone now. McCain has lost this campaign and we can get on with moving this country forward. And Freeport...you are wrong about the middle class not creating jobs. We do the jobs and we spend the money that creates the NEED for the jobs. Who are you...are you one of those upper 2%? "

glenroy wrote on Oct 9, 2008 8:15 PM:

" Obama’s not friends with Ayers…? Really….? Obama sits on Ayer’s ‘phony not for profit board of directors‘….that’s more than just a little friendship….that’s bosom buddies…Obama is not only friend and neighbor of Ayers, Obama traveled the leftist college talking circuit with Ayers preaching and spewing hatred across this land….it all comes back to his ‘liberation theory’ with plenty of Soros socialism….

Leave it libs to carry on their unique family tradition distorting, denying and lying…it’s not enough they’ve ruined this nation through mandating our dependence on foreign energy…they destroyed the financial institutions that our economy is dependant upon pandering to the Congressional Black Caucus….and of course without the libs and their vengeance against this nation intelligence agencies… Osama bin laden would just be another camel loving extremist… "

Hear Ye wrote on Oct 9, 2008 8:42 PM:

" I can't decide if it's funny or sad watching some of these otherwise reasonable conservatives on here show their desperation through lies, smears, and racism. "

misfit wrote on Oct 9, 2008 8:58 PM:

" Glenroy, you need to get with Freeport and Musikluvr and Dewayne and Kevin and PPF and, throw in a token woman for effect, Sandra ; * and you can all sit and commisurate and whine all you want. You and your ilk have contributed to the sorry state of our country. It is horrific what you have done...You are the terrorists!!! "

comment wrote on Oct 9, 2008 9:08 PM:

" Wrong, glenroy. They were on two boards together. These were not boards run by Mr. Ayers. Obama and Ayers rarely spoke after 2002 and haven't spoken to each other since 2005.

From the NY Times article (that I'm assuming you haven't read): Mr. Obama’s friends said that history was utterly irrelevant to judging the candidate, because Mr. Ayers was never a significant influence on him. Even some conservatives who know Mr. Obama said that if he was drawn to Ayers-style radicalism, he hid it well. Mr. Tom Hayden, 68, said he has known Mr. Ayers for 45 years and was on the other side of the split in the radical antiwar movement that led Mr. Ayers and others to form the Weathermen. But Mr. Hayden said he saw attempts to link Mr. Obama with bombings and radicalism as “typical campaign shenanigans.”

“If Barack Obama says he’s willing to talk to foreign leaders without preconditions,” Mr. Hayden said, “I can imagine he’d be willing to talk to Bill Ayers about schools. But I think that’s about as far as their relationship goes.” "

glenroy wrote on Oct 9, 2008 9:11 PM:

" Teach….‘most American’s won’t even bother to vote‘….the President will be elected by less than 25% of the total voting public…and those voting Democrat will likely included hundreds of thousands of illegal voters thanks to Obama’s ACORN….excuse me…Community Organizing….a few more inconvenient facts.

Democrats presiding over more Deaths than any others freely elected, to the math…..American Civil War when Democrats took the south out of the Union….WW1&2.…Korean War….Vietnam and post Vietnam with another 2 million being slaughtered…. this War officially started with WTC #1 according to OBL while Clinton was in office.… A Democrat destroyed reconstruction after the Civil War…Democrats created the KKK, Jim Crow and Poll Taxes…..you may have not noticed that President Johnson relied upon Northern Republicans to pass the Civil Rights and Voters Rights Acts….historically Democrats only take up a cause after Republican’s forced the issue through winning elections…….then of course Democrats muck it up because ‘their’ cause is ‘the privileges of holding office‘… not the well being of our country. Words mean nothing without results…

The Republican Party was founded because of ‘partisanship over country’ Democrats were opined to be bad for our country….hard to argue anything other considering our counties history, past and recent, they’ve ruined Freddie and Fannie….ruined our nations energy independence….ruined our intelligence agencies enabling al Qaeda to form and grow into a world menace….but they do tax and wedge issues every well blaming their failures on businesses and Republicans.

Just give us one example of an original domestic Democrat Policy that did not turn into a massive black financial hole? Just one…..good luck.

Granted.. an uneducated public votes Democrat as a block and is your party core…but those who create the jobs and those intelligent enough to understand economics vote Republican even more loyally…. "

Bauhausfan wrote on Oct 9, 2008 9:12 PM:

" The extreme right wingers who hang out on this site and echo each other and right wing talk radio have submissive attitudes toward established authorities, show a general aggressiveness toward persons “targeted” by those authorities, and adhere tightly to social conventions.

They are "submissive to government injustices, unsupportive of civil liberties and the Bill of Rights, supportive of the Experimenter in the Milgram situation,
high shockers themselves in a “punish the learner” situation, punitive toward lawbreakers, mean-spirited, happy with traditional sex roles, strongly influenced by group norms, highly religious (especially in a fundamentalist way), and politically conservative.

They also have remarkably compartmentalized minds,
endorse a multitude of contradictory beliefs, apply a variety of double standards to their thinking on social matters, are blind to themselves, dogmatic, fearful of a dangerous world, and self-righteous."

In a word, they are very scary people.

search the authoritarians online and learn more about them.

Trust me, facts don't matter with them. "

a teacher wrote on Oct 9, 2008 10:19 PM:

" Well Glenroy, if you're quoting me, I never (ever) said that. Your statement about democrats is factually incorrect. Your constant attempt to imply that democrats are cowards, evil, etc is pathetic.

My question is what do you plan to with your anger when you lose? Do you guys figure you're doing your country a service by fomenting such anger?

I figure that the closer Obama comes to winning, the more over the top you'll get. Then what? "

nightwatchman wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:13 AM:

" What I can't wait to see is when Obama wins...and nothing happens. Terrorists don't take residence in the East Wing, he doesn't paint the White House black, he doesn't put a Mao poster up in the Roosevelt Room. Just an intelligent, decent man trying to do the best for his country.

Do you think these guys on here will reflect on that and think, "boy, we were sure hysterical for no reason-- maybe we should re-evaluate where we get our information and how we approach government and politics?"

Yeah, me neither.

This stuff spewed on here is so out of the realm that it's really hard to accept that there are people that actually believe it-- in our own community, no less. Is it just cynicism? They don't really believe it, but they think it'll help them win? I hope so. "

freeport56 wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:26 AM:

" "REALITY: OBAMA WAS EIGHT YEARS OLD WHEN THE WEATHERMEN WERE ACTIVE
Obama Turned Eight In September 1969, The Days Of Rage Occurred In October 1969. Barack Obama was born on September 4, 1961. He turned eight on September 4, 1969. The Days of Rage, in which William Ayers participated, occurred in October 1969. [Obama Birth Certificate, UPI, 10/21/81]

Well, at least he got his age right, unlike his association with events in Selma in his speech from March 2007. In that speech, Obama didn’t mind deriving authenticity with a march that occurred when he was less than four years old and with people he had never met, let alone with whom he partnered on foundation boards.
cont'd "

Sandra wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:27 AM:

" Comment, research this, "Chicago Annenberg Challenge Shutdown?" It seems there was much more than sitting on a couple of committees together. Now, with all the voter fraud coming out about ACORN...a group Obama worked with for a number of years, the sleazy connection to Ayers and his CAC board, wich Obma's friend and Ayers appointed Obama to, and which Obama then kick backed the first grant money to his friend that appointed him.... This is cronism....and underhandedness, and sleaze...OH, and did you know ACORN received a portion of the bail out money?
This does not worry you? It sure worries me. "

freeport56 wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:28 AM:

" On September 11, 2001, A Story About William Ayers’ Memoir Was Published In The New York Times; The Interview Occurred Prior To Publication. “‘I don’t regret setting bombs,’ Bill Ayers said. ‘I feel we didn’t do enough.’ Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970’s as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago.” [New York Times, 9/11/01]

cont'd

I think almost everyone sophisticated enough to hold a newspaper right-side-up understands that an interview gets conducted before publication. No one claims that Ayers said this at the moment the towers fell. The point is that after a decade of terrorist attacks against American interests, Ayers still hadn’t reconsidered his own terrorism after 30 years, and the publication of that fact on 9/11 had its own twisted sense of irony.
The bigger question is why Obama spends so much energy defending Ayers. If he wasn’t that important to Obama, why offer this page on the campaign website to rehabilitate Ayers? "

freeport56 wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:29 AM:

" Next, let's examine Obama's claim that his connection to Ayers and Dohrn is "tenuous" and "phony." Is it phony that Obama's political coming-out party in the mid-1990s was hosted by Ayers and Dohrn? What about the panel discussions in which Ayers and Obama both took part—that were organized by Michelle Obama? Tenuous? I suppose the goodbye party for prominent Israel basher and Arafat apologist Rashid Khalidi, attended by Obama, Ayers and Dohrn, is also unworthy of discussion. That Khalidi himself hosted a fundraiser for Obama's first Congressional campaign must be completely irrelevant, too. "

freeport56 wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:31 AM:

" comment-

I suppose Disney(ABC) and General Electric(NBC) are heads above the rest in news reporting. That's a big Joke. At least most of Fox's reporters are Democrats with integrity. "

freeport56 wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:34 AM:

" In talking about his plans to double the size of the Peace Corps and nearly quadruple the size of AmeriCorps and the size of the nation's military services, he made this rather shocking (and chilling) pledge: "We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
I thought Democrats generally believed the U.S. spent too much on the military. How is it possible their candidate is seeking to create some kind of massive but secret national police force that will be even bigger than the Army, Navy, Marines and Air Force put together?
Now, maybe he was misquoted by the Congressional Quarterly and the Chicago Tribune. I guess it's possible. If so, you would think he would want to set the record straight. Maybe he misspoke. That has certainly happened before. Again, why wouldn't the rest of my colleagues show some curiosity about such a major and, frankly, bone-chilling proposition?
Are we talking about creating a police state here? "

yikes wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:57 AM:

" Are you kidding me?? When I saw the headline I thought the article was going to be about Obama. It's a sick situation that the media is so bent on having obama for president. Scary cause the media tends to get whatever they want through misinformation and omissions. Remember the time Obama accidently said," I've visited all 57 states" whoops "I mean all 50 states" Funny, but there are 57 Isalmic states that's a Freudian slip if I ever heard one. I am afraid that Obama is a mole, being pushed into our top office in order to take over America for some other purpose than to protect the people living in America. He is not our friend. Vote for McCain and Palin. "

ADark1 wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:12 AM:

" Its become increasingly clear to me, there are some of you who go beyond the regular hype of election politics. The cries of kill him, deport him and even using a black plant to discredit Obama are a new time low for America. When looking at Hannity using a discredited anti-Semitic for doing a supposed documentary on Obama and attempting to pass it off as truth is incredible. I'm ashamed of the reactions of some of my so called fellow americans now.

Tell you what guys...try this..Put John McCain in Obama's shoes and vice versa..Would you really be this rabid if Obama cheated on his first wife and did all the things McCain did? How would you react then?

This commentator will openly say more then a few of the responses here stem from fear and racism. I am NOT saying you won't vote for Obama because he is black I am saying you won't vote for him because your inherent racism and fear stoked up to a fevered pitch is because of those same factors.

Were Obama white....would you react the same way? No you wouldn't. I base this simply on the *excuses* you give for being so down on him. Were McCain black, the same question applies.......

.~smiles...change is coming whether you like it or not...have a nice day.. "

rage against wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:39 AM:

" Teacher,

Let them rant. If their angry reverie leads them to do something stupid, then so be it. I don't want anything bad to happen, no one does, but do you think these republican bloggers, or the actual crazies out their shouting "kill" at rally's are going to listen to anybody other than their shepherds?

It will only prove just how fractured their party and the country has become. And if they think they are actually going to change soemthing with violence, in this country, they are obviously insane and beyond our help.

It is very entertaining to hear just how many accusations they can throw at Obama, the worse it gets, the worse their arguments and their party looks.

Republicans,

Good luck with that whole being really angry thing, the democrats have handled it for the past eight years, I'm sure you guys will be fine. "

Rocco wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:54 AM:

" Give it up McCain supporters... It’s over. How can you compete with the likes of Obama. Just look at the large group of homies in his camp: The entire population of Kenya, Hamas, ACORN, every lefty loon across the country, Barney Frank, Dodd, Pelosi, Raines, John Stewart, Ayers, Wright, and now even Farrakhan today proclaims that “The Messiah is absolutely speaking.” Hear that all you McCain fans? You’re up against Louis Farrakhan! Poor John; stick a fork in him, he’s done. (Some have even heard Lenin whisper from behind the glass, “Go Barry!”) "

Hear Ye wrote on Oct 10, 2008 12:14 PM:

" Everyone should go on youtube and watch the videos "McCain/Palin mob" and "sidewalk to nowhere". Both videos have around a half million views and show people saying vile things while waiting in line for a McCain/Palin rally. Very telling of the kind of people we are dealing with. "

14obama wrote on Oct 10, 2008 12:27 PM:

" Very good article,Mr. Gregg ! I'm totally surprised seeing it here. Maybe the Register's coming around after all. Let's hope so ! I too wonder what McCain means when he says "victory in Iraq". Did Iraq attack us ? Does it mean ramming democracy down their throats ? Is it"victory" if we do ? Notice how the Bush admin. put capturing Bin Laden on the "back burner" ? Remember how the Bin Laden family was flown out of the country when all of our planes were grounded ? Remember the 6minutes Bush spent reading that book to the kids,upside down whe the planes crashed into the towers ? Remember that ? Bin Laden was double crossed by the Bush family. McCain wants to continue the exploitation of Iraq's oil and when it's done,it will be called a "Victory". Simple as that ! In the meantime more of our young men and women will lose their lives for the deception. Pretty sick,isn't it ? Go ahead and say I'm spreading untruths ! No problem,I've been here doing the same in the Vietnam era. I LOVE the Truth !
I ask you WHY,Why are you doing nothing about all of this ? Are you going to let these murderers get away with it ? If you do nothing,then it's YOUR fault as well ! May the "Good Lord" open your eyes ! "

Raven wrote on Oct 10, 2008 1:00 PM:

" Sandra, ACORN has received no bailout money because no has been disbursed yet...the govt is still setting up the procedures....

the intensity of the remarks by a very vocal group of posters opposed to Obama grows each day McCain slips in the polls....their desperation is showing "

PlasticPinkFlamingo wrote on Oct 10, 2008 1:24 PM:

" All the lefties do is yap and complain about the questions finally being asked about Obama's shady past. They are not interested in finding the truth, they are only interested in making accusations about those who ask the very real question 'who really is Barack Obama?' Truth is, no one knows, none of you knows, and he's not very forthcoming about his past and his accomplices.

Shame on you ADark1, accusing people of racism because we are asking questions. If both McCain and Palin were black I would still support them. If Obama was a white socialist I would still be against him. I had thought you to be a reasonable person but this accusation is way out there and has no basis or foundation in any of these posts, and most certainly not in mine.

So how about it, Obamapologists? How about some answers instead of accusations? How about urging your candidate to address his past, instead of hiding it or making excuses for it? That's all I'm asking. No hate involved, just reasonable questions that would be expected to be answered by any candidate of any color from any party. Stop all your caterwauling and hate-mongering and dig into Obama's background. These questions will need to be answered, whether you like it or not. "

Hear Ye wrote on Oct 10, 2008 2:55 PM:

" A spade is a spade. Racism and hate is growing and being incited by McCain and Palin each day. It's a sad state for them and even sadder that many of his supporters are falling in line. Things like "he's not like us", "he's a terrorist", "he supports terrorism", and let us not forget the over emphasis on his middle name when John McCains middle name is NEVER mentioned. It's really getting down in the mud for the Republicans. Like I said before go look at the very popular Youtube videos of McCain/Palin supporters waiting to get into a rally. "

Raven wrote on Oct 10, 2008 3:07 PM:

" if Obama were white, the depths of the attacks wouldnt be anywhere like they are....didn't here republicans crowds suggested kerry be killed in 2004 did you?

You guys keep trotting out the same stuff over and over and over again and hope that maybe this time it will stick...and it seems that as McCain slips in the polls more and more the attacks become harsher and more extreme...and the polls keep climbing away...this from a candidate who was the victim of attacks like he is making in 2000 and who said his campaigns would never stoop so low....

no, if anyone should be ashamed, it is not adark1..... "

freeport56 wrote on Oct 10, 2008 3:20 PM:

" At the same time the Bush administration was negotiating a still elusive agreement to keep the U.S. military in Iraq, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama tried to convince Iraqi leaders in private conversations that the president shouldn't be allowed to enact the deal without congressional approval.

Mr. Obama's conversations with the Iraqi leaders, confirmed to The Washington Times by his campaign aides, began just two weeks after he clinched the Democratic presidential nomination in June and stirred controversy over the appropriateness of a White House candidate's contacts with foreign governments while the sitting president is conducting a war.
Some of the specifics of the conversations remain the subject of dispute. Iraqi leaders purported to The Times that Mr. Obama urged Baghdad to delay an agreement with Mr. Bush until next year when a new president will be in office - a charge the Democratic campaign denies.

washington times "

freeport56 wrote on Oct 10, 2008 3:22 PM:

" Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama's campaign distanced itself Thursday from its $800,000 payment linked to the liberal ACORN organization, which is under investigation in several states where it is suspected of filing fraudulent voter registrations.

Federal Election Commission reports show ACORN-affiliated Citizens Services Inc. got $832,598 from the Obama campaign for get-out-the-vote work during the primaries. But those payments stopped in May and the Obama campaign says they should not be an election issue.

washington times

funny, I see a pattern of dishonesty with the facts.

so obamafiles, what is the truth? "

comment wrote on Oct 10, 2008 3:43 PM:

" Obama has provided answers. Because it wasn't what you wanted to hear that doesn't mean he's hiding something. For those of you that want to make accusations, I say prove them. If Obama has done so many horrible things, where's the proof? Because some talking head on t.v. has told you it's true doesn't mean it is. Where's the information to back up your claim?

freeport56 wrote-"I suppose Disney(ABC) and General Electric(NBC) are heads above the rest in news reporting. That's a big Joke."

I never said that. Did you even read my response? My point is when the owner of a news corporation has donated over $230,000 to Republicans and only $85,000 to Democrats then I don't how you consider it to be "fair and balanced". There's an obvious conflict of interests there. "

C'mon reg get it right wrote on Oct 10, 2008 4:21 PM:

" I am sickened by all the terrorist accusations concerning Barrack Obama. He is a US Senator with security clearances. Our good men and women in the FBI do a thourough background check on all. I am sure they would have caught a little thing like terroism. He gets a daily security breifing along with the other canidates. It sickens me more that you call them incompetent. Lets be frank those of you joining the grand ole party line really are quite cowardice, little people. Those of you who are thinking conservatives I am sorry that these small minded people cloud your good ideas. "

a teacher wrote on Oct 10, 2008 4:38 PM:

" Actually, PPF,ALL of those questions you're asking have been answered by Obama. You guys don't like the answers.

But, lets be honest. You're not really asking questions with an eye on getting answers. You've already decided on your answers. The whole point is to bring down Obama with a campaign of guilt by association. You are figuring that if you say some names at the same time as Obama's name, you'll make a difference in McCain's campaign.

To claim that us Obama supporters are:"caterwauling and hate-mongering" is the height hippocracy. Just listen in on the crowds at McCain/Palin rallies.

It's not going to work this time, PPF. "

misfit wrote on Oct 10, 2008 4:39 PM:

" Yeah right PPF...and I'm sure some of your best friends are black too! You make me laugh.
So, how about it PPF. Why not stick to the issues our country is facing right now instead of insisting on rolling around in mud. I bet you guys stay up at night thinking up someof your "Reasonable questions".
Let's have McCain answer to his Keating 5 involvement especially since it is more relevant to what is going on in our economy today. Also, let's ask him about Gordon Liddy and his relationship with this terrorist. Let's also ask him about his relationship to Washington Lobbyists that have basically guided his every move.
Let's ask Palin why she is not cooperating with the investigation of her that is going on in Alaska. What is she hiding? Ohhhh, I see. Those aren't "Reasonable questions". "

misfit wrote on Oct 10, 2008 4:44 PM:

" Ironic that Obama is accused of being a terrorist when, it seems to me that of the 2 candidates, John McCain is the only one who has killed innocent women and children...and he admits it. "

Sandra wrote on Oct 10, 2008 4:59 PM:

" Regarding this:
"misfit wrote on Oct 9, 2008 8:58 PM:"

Just who do you think you are, calling me a token woman, and me and all of the others in your post terrorists? This is the second post I have written addressing this. My 1st post did not post. It was an objection to the small mindedness of Misfits rant. I can't help but notice the "Rant" is still up, despite breaking the " Refrain from personal attacks, degrading comments or remarks that do not add to a constructive dialogue." rule.
I have to wonder at why this is nasty post from MISFIT is up, but my first post regarding this was NOT allowed?

I also posted a reply to ADark1, that did not break any rules, and cannot help but notice it was never posted. "

Bill wrote on Oct 10, 2008 5:04 PM:

" Its really just the fluoride in the water that has sapped our bodily essence. Racist? not I says he of those who associate with Homies and acorns or prefers to use the word socialist as an epithet replacing the less polite commie, fellow traveler, terrorist and traitor.

Fear and loathing are here again, Hunter S. Thompson is not dead and Elvis is in the room.

I am certain that The One of Darkness could be civilly mistaken but believe him to be humbly correct.

I can understand vindictiveness directed at my self but His Number One Obsureness has not been sufficiently polemical to deserve such harshness. "

misfit wrote on Oct 10, 2008 5:52 PM:

" freeport...So what? What's your point. So they went out to get voters registered. Is that illegal? "

db76 wrote on Oct 10, 2008 5:55 PM:

" The real questions you should be asking are these : Is Al Queda the most important factor in deciding who you will vote for? Will the terrorists decide another presidential election? Will you allow yourselves to be scared into voting for John McCain? How many Americans have been killed by terrorists on U.S. soil in the last 7 years, versus how many have dies from poverty, neglect, and inadequate medical care? Is invading ANOTHER country the best, most efficient solution to dealing with a relatively small group of terrorists? "

misfit wrote on Oct 10, 2008 6:42 PM:

" Sandra, Sandra, Sandra...I rarely take myself so seriously. The reason for my rants is to get you guys riled up. You all seem like you are ready to pop a cork...if not a blood vessel. Why the "Hatred" for Obama?. Even McCain says he's a decent man. Why can't we just allow for our differences of opinion and argue the issues but, the fact is, you guys are becoming scary. It's all over the news tonight about the anger and rage toward Obama. Finally, McCain had to do something about it and that is the first thing he has done in this campaign to earn my respect. I will still be voting for Obama but, it did warm my heart even if just for a moment. As for referring to you as the "Token woman", that was simply because of Palin...the token female candidate that was supposed to take the Hillary votes and the Hockey (Soccer) mom votes and who was to win the far right over and the conservatives over and who, in reality, dealt the final blow to McCain. She is the problem now...how ironic. Such Poetic justice... You know the saying, when you roll around in the mud with pigs...sooner or later you're gonna get dirty. "

misfit wrote on Oct 10, 2008 6:49 PM:

" I do also remember that when questions were being asked of Palin or about Palin, because she had not been properly vetted and no one knew much about her, that we were accused of sexism. Funny how that works. "

comment wrote on Oct 10, 2008 7:39 PM:

" Here are the results of "troopergate". How will you guys defend this?

Sarah Palin unlawfully abused her power as governor by trying to have her former brother-in-law fired as a state trooper, the chief investigator of an Alaska legislative panel concluded Friday. The politically charged inquiry imperiled her reputation as a reformer on John McCain's Republican ticket.

Investigator Stephen Branchflower, in a report by a bipartisan panel that investigated the matter, found Palin in violation of a state ethics law that prohibits public officials from using their office for personal gain. "

Sandra wrote on Oct 10, 2008 7:49 PM:

" Misfit, do you even pay the least bit of attention to the news? Regarding this , "misfit wrote on Oct 10, 2008 5:52 PM:

" freeport...So what? What's your point. So they went out to get voters registered. Is that illegal? "

It is illegal when you register dead people, or the same person numerous times with fallacious addresses, etc. ACORN seems to have had that as its main activity.
This organization should be in a huge amount of trouble, and I would hope that they do not receive the funding from the bailout that the democrats pushed through for them. SHAMEFUL!

MISFIT,MISFIT, MISFIT,
As for your childish behavior...idiocy does not get me riled up...it just reflects on the one engaging in it, and not on those who are the subject of the attack. I do not hate Obama, I question his background and the path that brought him to where he is. You seem to be the expert on hateful, not me. "

NVGal wrote on Oct 10, 2008 7:58 PM:

" Db76 – apparently Obama feels that our biggest national security priority is to kill bin Laden and crush al-Qaeda, so shouldn’t we all be afraid of the threat of terrorism? But this election isn’t about terrorism, it’s about the economy, and this time around people are being scared into voting for Obama… "

misfit wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:15 PM:

" So Sandra, they have unemployed, desperate people canvassing for voter registration. Seems a few padded their lists thinking it would also pad their paycheck. Or, it is just another Rove tactic to reflect badly on CSI and Acorn, thus Obama. So, were you as incensed when thousands of voters were disenfranchised in 2000? "

mytwocents wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:45 PM:

" It's sad to read these responses. It's too bad you believe the lies being spread by the McCain/ Joe six pack camp. Aren't you insulted to be referred to as Joe six pack? I will vote for Obama on Nov 4 because we need him to straighten out this mess. If you really think McCain will do it, well ~Joe six pack, this Bud's for you! "

besmart wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:00 PM:

" How can any of you vote for either one of these politians? One is as bad as the other, just in different ways. Its history. No change is going to come as long as there are only two parties to choose from that stand a snowballs chance of winning.You people keep repeating what these guys say. Tell when was the last time any politian was ever true to thier words. You people talking like its going to make difference who wins. Just to clean-up Bush's mess's will take four years. The Rep's have just raped the U.S. taxpayer and the dem's do the same when given a chance. How many of you voted for Bush twice? Or even once? You then type in this forum and think you might be right this time. The sad thing is there are people out there who read your mess and believe some of it. That is a bad deal. "

bigj wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:01 PM:

" Obama president for one term = need to elect a libertarian for 3 terms because of the nasty hard left turn the country will take w/ Mr O.
During Mr. O's term expect to:
-Kiss the patriot act goodbye
-enjoy being taxed to the max
-enjoy more taxes (eg capital gains, inheritance)
-enjoy more taxes
-Give children of illegal's in-state tuition
-Government medicine
(this is NOT a comprehensive list)

Obama is a master at candycoating issues and hiding his socialist roots. (After all - His father loved communism)
The apple doesnt fall far from the tree.
When anything goes wrong during obama's reign it will no doubt be the Bush administrations fault. "

Hear Ye wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:07 PM:

" Factcheck calls McCain charges connecting Ayers to Obama "groundless, false, dubious". Next question? "

ADark1 wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:29 PM:

" I shouldn't rise to the bait however just for S**** & Giggles ...

Shame on you ADark1, accusing people of racism because we are asking questions. If both McCain and Palin were black I would still support them. If Obama was a white socialist I would still be against him. I had thought you to be a reasonable person but this accusation is way out there and has no basis or foundation in any of these posts, and most certainly not in mine.

So based on YOUR statements PPF, I should call you "pinky" as a socialist leaning commie due to the fact you actually are supporting socialism? HUH?

Yuppers, Ol Cain came up with another plan other then the *rescue* to make it even more socialistic then whatever Obama did.. Do your research I shouldn't have to.

Thanks Bill, you still crack me up and nice to see yer a *traveler* I could repeat a certain phrase three times but we'd both probably get in trouble! :)

TY Raven and comment...Raven Good to see you have your finger on the pulse of what I'm saying and you're still in the trenches.. Comment, outstanding, so its obvoius my point has even more validity as the *partisan* committee that found Pain in fact abused her office was 10 pubs and 4 Dems.

Keep it up Teacher! I think we'll need more of your soup and a forced kum by yah session or two to get some of these folks in line! :)

granted I may be a Black man however my color has very little to do with my reasons for supporting Obama. I've even voted for repubs when I felt they were the better candidate. "

comment wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:34 PM:

" Nice, bigj. I'm guessing your argument is based strictly on your own opinion instead of facts. "

Sandra wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:46 PM:

" Misfit...nice attempt at deflection....but anyone with half a brain wouldn't buy it. Go ahead and keep your hate filled blinders on....you are a hopeless case, and I am done with you. "

bigj wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:52 PM:

" Yeah, Comment, 'strictly'. I come up with all this stuff myself.
May I confess something? I like Senator Obama's style. Hes got charisma, good looks and a wonderful voice.
I like small government - He like big government - make bigj sad. "

Sandra wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:52 PM:

" Adark1...Yep, Palin abused her office...and what did she do to abuse it? Fire someone illegally....nope..well then what was it?...oh yea, She did not shut her husbands mouth....
Now that finding is so absurd as to make me chuckle myself to sleep tonight. If her husband is anything like mine, any attempt to shut him up has just the opposite effect.
Oh and my earlier post to you did not post...but in a nut shell, very dissapointed you threw out the race card. "

ADark1 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 12:16 AM:

" Some of you talk about the Annenbergs,

I happen to know Mike Annenberg VERY well. Let it be known , they are a very RIGHT Wing Republican Family ( minus Mike) and the entire challenge and board, is like 90 % Republican 10 % Progressive...

Think About that next time you bring them up..

Some of you misunderstood me including you PPF, No I'm sure you have have black friends, and I'm sure you may even like soul food, fact of the matter is this, no white male would have to go thru the vetting Obama has, come up fairly clean, and STILL have to prove himself over and over again. I think some of you need to get over the hate, the fear, and yes, the racism, to take a really clear look at your alternative.

You talk of socialism, who by their policies is the more socialist of the two? Its NOT Obama so there's your hint. Grow up and welcome to the change that is needed in this country... "

a teacher wrote on Oct 11, 2008 12:26 AM:

" Sandra (and I'm sure others) miss the point of Palin's abuse of power. It's nt about the man she fired, but about the man she attempted to fire. Her vendetta against Trooper Wooton was, by any objective measure, a personal affair, which she should have stayed out of. The irony to me is that the man she did fire was acting in her best interest in his refusal to play along. "

ADark1 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 12:27 AM:

" Sandra Sandra Sandra.........I did NOT throw out the race card....were you truly looking?, you'd seen the race card had been there all along...Granted, I tried and even foamed at the mouth to not take the bait, however, at this point...It needed to be addressed. Take a deep breath....you KNOW in your deepest of hearts I am in fact correct...Yes she DID fire someone wrongly, it adds credence to why people are terrified of crossing her... seems to me Nixon did the same thing.

Sandra you and I have gone rounds in public and private....Why not just bury the hatchet and publicly admit, based on what has been proven to you on this blog I am correct. I will easily admit to you, I will NOT crow about it. Facts are facts....cant run away from them.
When the same concerns crop up as to voter registration et. al. have come up AFTER we;ve discussed this... I mean come on.....Isn't it apparent to you yet?

The power is changing hands granted kicking and screaming, but changing nevertheless. I'm over it and looking foward to it. Give it a chance....we couldn't do any worse. "

Sandra wrote on Oct 11, 2008 8:24 AM:

" Teacher, I did not miss the point at all. She was found to have abused her power by not reining in her husband regarding Wooton. I find this absurd. How was she supposed to have silenced her husband? He even said she asked him to stop. Well, she seemed to have had as much influence on silenceing him, as I would have if I tried to silence my husband.
You do not find any absurdity in this? Have you ever tried to silence anyone else? You are a teacher...I suppose you can bully students into being silent...at least while they are in your class, but do you think you would have any chance in hell of silencing them 24/7? Todd Palin is his own person. A person not holding office, and a person with the right to ask that someone he thinks is dangerous to the public be fired. "

Sandra wrote on Oct 11, 2008 8:46 AM:

" What is it with repeating my name 3 times? I am just that special?
OK, ADark1. I replied to your post, but I guess my post was not allowed. And considering what I said I find it extremely ironic that yours was allowed, and mine wasn't.
So I will stay away from skin color, and address the vetting you think Obama has had.
1. Who is pouring in the $$$ that is backing him? There is evidence that a large portion is from Foreign sources. Worries me to no end....And no one seems to be looking into this AT ALL
2. How did he rise so fast? So far elected to two offices and no one has lasted to run against him...
3. ACORN....do I really need to spell that out for you?
Cont. on next post as there is so MUch on the CAC I ran out of room.... "

Sandra wrote on Oct 11, 2008 8:51 AM:

" 4. Chicago Annenberg Challenge…From an article by Stanly Kurtz; “Although the press has been notably lax about pursuing the matter, the full story of the Obama-Ayers relationship calls the truth of Obama’s account seriously into question. When Obama made his first run for political office, articles in both the Chicago Defender and the Hyde Park Herald featured among his qualifications his position as chairman of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a foundation where Ayers was a founder and guiding force. Obama assumed the Annenberg board chairmanship only months before his first run for office, and almost certainly received the job at the behest of Bill Ayers. During Obama’s time as Annenberg board chairman, Ayers’s own education projects received substantial funding. Indeed, during its first year, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge struggled with significant concerns about possible conflicts of interest. With a writ to aid Chicago’s public schools, the Annenberg challenge played a deeply political role in Chicago’s education wars, and as Annenberg board chairman, Obama clearly aligned himself with Ayers’s radical views on education issues. With Obama heading up the board and Ayers heading up the other key operating body of the Annenberg Challenge, the two would necessarily have had a close working relationship for years (therefore “exchanging ideas on a regular basis”). So when Ayers and Dorhn hosted that kickoff for the first Obama campaign, it was not a random happenstance, but merely further evidence of a close and ongoing political partnership. Of course, all of this clearly contradicts Obama’s dismissal of the significance of his relationship with Ayers.”
For the full article google “Chicago Annenberg Challenge Shutdown?”

What I will admit is you haven't vetted Obama better than anyone else has, and you selectively choose the facts you see. "

109823 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 8:58 AM:

" Thanks Besmart, finally someone with a solid statement. I wish there was a square to mark none of the above candidates. "

14obama wrote on Oct 11, 2008 10:27 AM:

" Wow ! Must I read this stuff ? Listen up all of my brothers and sisters who support Mr. Obama ! These people on the other side must be treated as you would a sick person. Save yourself some headaches and remember this: "God forgive them for they know not what they do". They got burned once(big time) and now they want to go back and touch the stove again. They can't help themselves. It's sad ! "

14obama wrote on Oct 11, 2008 10:51 AM:

" Alfred E. Newman for President "

Hear Ye wrote on Oct 11, 2008 11:13 AM:

" Why doesn't everyone go to Factcheck and read their new debunking of the Ayers smears. It's quite detailed. After that we can argue about whatever smear the McCain camp brings forth next. "

freeport56 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 12:23 PM:

" as the anti-slavery in 1854 until today, the
Republican Party has championed freedom
and equality for blacks. Republicans amended
the Constitution to grant blacks freedom,
citizenship and the right to vote. Republicans
started the NAACP and HBCUs.
Republicans pushed to pass every piece of
civil rights legislation from the 1860’s to the
1960’s, including the Civil Rights Act of 1866
and the Reconstruction Act of 1867 that were
overturned by Democrats with the 1894
Repeal Act after they took over Congress in
1892.
● Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from
Illinois, not Democrat President Lyndon
Johnson, pushed through the civil rights laws
of the 1960s. Dirksen was key to the passage
of civil rights laws in 1957, 1960, 1964, 1965
and 1968. The chief opponents of the 1964
Civil Rights Act were Democrat Senators
Sam Ervin, Albert Gore, Sr. and Robert Byrd,
a former member of the Ku Klux Klan who is
still in Congress. None of those racist
Democrats became Republicans. "

yikes wrote on Oct 11, 2008 1:31 PM:

" I guess I shouldn't worry if obama gets elected cause he smokes 3 packs of cigs a day.. He won't last long... Rumor has it that his plane smells really bad, that must be why. His own children call him stinky. He's going to make all the walls in the white house turn yellow. It will then be called the yellow house. "

Raven wrote on Oct 11, 2008 2:00 PM:

" hear ye...it doesnt agree with the myths they are creating.... "

napabrat wrote on Oct 11, 2008 2:09 PM:

" Sandra, Palin is not being accused of illegally firing Trooper Wooten, she has been found "guilty" of abusing her power as the Governor of the State of Alaska. (An ethics violation). The abuse of power finding comes from the fact that she, her husband and her top aids all repeatedly contacted and attempted to influence Mr. Monaghan to fire Trooper Wooten. The premise of the request for firing him was based on personal issues (i.e. custody battle with her sister, and fears for their personal safety). Wooten had already been cleared of the charges against him and there was not sufficient evidence for a conviction.

If they were really so fearful of their safety then why did she reduce her personal and family security during this same time frame? "

justdoit wrote on Oct 11, 2008 2:28 PM:

" May the best man win. "

msdemo wrote on Oct 11, 2008 2:56 PM:

" As I read some of the comments made by the "righties" (I guess if I'm a leftie this name fits you) I realize these are the people I pass on the street, in the grocery store, at the college and if I knew what they are really thinking, I would be scared to death. I did not realize there was so much unbridled hate by the "righties".

It's as if they can work themselves up enough they will find a reason to vote against a person. I think too many are displaying racist views. You are spending too much time looking for every little negative. Let me tell you that I am positive the Obama is the best candidate in this election. "

msdemo wrote on Oct 11, 2008 2:59 PM:

" I fear some people don't want to be confused by the facts. "

kevin wrote on Oct 11, 2008 3:31 PM:

" Sandra, here is the investigator's statement regarding Palin's alledged abuse of power:

"Governor Palin's firing of Commissioner Monegan was a proper and lawful exercise of her constitutional and statutory authority to hire and fire executive branch department heads." "

a teacher wrote on Oct 11, 2008 3:37 PM:

" Sandra, read further. It's not about her husband, it's about her husband, her aides and the governor herself pressuring to get Wooton fired.

It doesn't much matter. It seems Americans in general find her wanting as a candidate. The only she fires up are the base and they're not listening to these charges. It's unfortunate for her that she didn't take Moneghan's advice and drop the whole thing. She fired him instead. "

misfit wrote on Oct 11, 2008 4:26 PM:

" Sniff...sniff.... :' ( "

Hear Ye wrote on Oct 11, 2008 4:52 PM:

" Yikes-

are you just making stuff up now or did you actually read that somewhere? "

misfit wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:28 PM:

" OMG...I can just see it now...Todd Palin with his feet up on Cheeeney's desk, using his phone to order take out and pushing all kinds of buttons. "

Hear Ye wrote on Oct 11, 2008 5:43 PM:

" Palin was found to be in violation of the public's trust and also abused her power as Governor. Not good for her rhetoric that we can't trust Obama now that we KNOW we can't trust her. "

Sandra wrote on Oct 11, 2008 6:21 PM:

" Napabrat. I NEVER SAID PALIN FIRED WOOTEN...reread my post. She is found guilty of abusing her power by not silencing her husband....mountain out of a molehill.... "

napabrat wrote on Oct 11, 2008 8:22 PM:

" Sandra said "Adark1...Yep, Palin abused her office...and what did she do to abuse it? Fire someone illegally....nope..well then what was it?...oh yea, She did not shut her husbands mouth....
Now that finding is so absurd as to make me chuckle myself to sleep tonight."

Hope you're still laughing...I never said you said she fired Wooten. And it's not the fact she couldn't silence her husbands comments, what about her own requests or the one's of her staff? That is where the abuse of power comes into play. Keep twisting the facts till you find the one's that suit you best, it's a 253 page report I'm sure you'll find something. Obama is still leading in the poles and I can't see how this incident helps the McCain/Palin ticket at all. She's obviously not all that she's cracked up to be (other than cracking before our very eyes.)

Maybe Pastor Muthee can help her out of this situation? He's good at picking out witches and governors, but what's his skill level at VP's? "

pbsm777 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 9:13 PM:

" Sandra, check your facts. You have to read the WHOLE report....not just the talking pints from the righties....

I like how Gov. Palin "rejects the findings" of the BI PARTISAN ( that means repubs and dems ) ETHICS charges confirmed against her by the Alaska State Legislature. You can 'reject' all you want but that is the same as a convicted criminal still declaring "I'm innocent" despite the evidence and finding of fact.

This was the result of her husband, a non elected official, repeatedly interfering in government business. What will first dude do if he gets to the White House?

Let's talk character now....she couldn't keep her husband from screwing up her own office, unless he was just her surrogate? Way to go Palin.

Must be the media's fault; no wait it's Bill Ayers fault; no wait it's Obama's fault; No wait ,
it's First Dude's fault....or is that First Joe Six Pack? "

freeport - you CONVENIENTLY failed to mention McCain's votes AGAINST Martin Luther King Day, and the Civil Rights act that Bush was against but was actually crafted by the REPUBLICAN led congress. He supported Bush's opposition to the re affirmnation of the Civil Rights Act that his own party wanted.... There's a maverick...

But, hey, don't let the facts get in the way... "

ADark1 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 10:48 PM:

" Seeing some here really do NOT understand the signifgance of ACORN, I'll have more time tomorrow to spell it out for you WHY the pubbies are ticked at ACORN and why its essential they shut it down.

here's a hint....ACORN has registered over 1 million low income and minority voters this election cycle. The white house went after them with a vengeance..I'm sure a few of you recall the US Atty firing scandal...Do the math, but as I said, More on that later...

So no Sandra and others..ACORN is another threat in the pubbie holding power grid. Too bad Even attempting to shut down acorn will NOT work!

Have a great evening ....I'll be back! "

Sandra wrote on Oct 12, 2008 9:40 AM:

" ADark! Acorn was the least significant of what I mentioned, but the only thing you focused on to reply to... "

glenroy wrote on Oct 12, 2008 10:07 AM:

" Teach….I was out of town on a mighty wilderness adventure…‘most’ it was you stated, claimed and implied‘…. look it up it…most means….’Majority’ and Majority means most……the fact is ‘most people won’t elect Obama and most people won’t turn their backs on the President‘…the fact is ‘most people won‘t do anything on election day or any other day‘…..we’re all just fractions…. "

winemd wrote on Oct 12, 2008 10:29 AM:

" I think this is one of the ugliest threads I have read. And every single person who reads this is going to say "That's right...about that "other person" on the "other side". Guess what, I'm talking to you, too. There is really no need to use "liberal" or "conservative" or Democrat or Republican (or any variation thereof) as perjorative terms. Both sides seem to have hateful talk going on, even though most people are more alike than different and have similar concerns for our country and our families. Whenever racism or sexism or ageism is brought up, to me, it undermines the argument that the person is trying to make, whether the person is making an argument against another candidate based on race, sex, or age (or change vs. establishment) or if the person is saying that another person's argument is racist or sexist against their candidate.

I don't doubt both of these candidates' commitment to do what they think is best for the country. It is a question of voting for the person who you believe has the better plan. I don't agree with either of them 100%, so I am looking very carefully at the issues and trying to balance my priorities with what theirs are. None of this thread is helping me figure that out, so I won't be reading it anymore. "

glenroy wrote on Oct 12, 2008 10:37 AM:

" Freeport....hear-hear...

The bottomline is Democrats are good at spending other peoples money and then blaming them for letting 'em do it. "

glenroy wrote on Oct 12, 2008 10:45 AM:

" adark....since Obama's days as an 'organizer,' whatever that equates to, ACORN has registered over a million illegal's as Democrats....that's the beef....or for libs... tofu.

Democrats already have enough 'legal' criminals registered to vote....both currently in Congress and on Parole.... "

glenroy wrote on Oct 12, 2008 11:51 AM:

" Hey teach….I don’t have any anger whatsoever…what ever gave you that idea?....just walk the talk and we'll all be happy campers. "

verum wrote on Oct 12, 2008 12:05 PM:

" John "Wayne" McCain? What's in a name? "

bigholla77 wrote on Oct 12, 2008 2:41 PM:

" I think that it very sad that people assume that Obama is a terrorist simply because of his name and his race. But the last time I checked, the last attack on American soil before 9/11 was the Oklahoma city bombing and that was by a blue eyed, blonde hair white boy named Timonthy McViegh. But they forget about that one. Terrorism is like bullets it sees no color. So based off some you guys logic should I be a afraid of White People with European Names? "

dellasumbrella wrote on Oct 12, 2008 5:53 PM:

" And as the supporters of freedom and justice flip off the switches, one by one, of the neocon Hate-A-Liberal (HAL) computer, gradually silencing the repetitive stream of pre-programmed orders and irrational lies, we hear the hitherto controlling voice of HAL trail off into "...Daisy... Daisy...give ... me your...
answer....
t-r-u- u - e....." "

a teacher wrote on Oct 12, 2008 7:04 PM:

" "I don’t have any anger whatsoever…what ever gave you that idea?....just walk the talk and we'll all be happy campers. "

I don't know, it must be the talk you talk... "

anewcommenter wrote on Oct 12, 2008 7:35 PM:

" kevin and freeport and commonsense make a lot of sense. Gregg if you don't want a dangerous man in the white house why in the heck would you want Obama there. The guy is an absolute imbecile when it comes to knowing anything about the position he is applying for. Why would you want the same man in the white house as our enemises do? It makes no sense! "

ADark1 wrote on Oct 12, 2008 10:07 PM:

" Ok Sandra,

1. Who is pouring in the $$$ that is backing him? There is evidence that a large portion is from Foreign sources. Worries me to no end....And no one seems to be looking into this AT ALL!

Sandra here is something you FAIL to think about..If Obama was getting foreign funds for his rise, it wouldn't get past the Dept of Justice, FBI or Homeland Security. He's given a security briefing everyday..

2. How did he rise so fast? So far elected to two offices and no one has lasted to run against him...

Smiles, Yup he's JUST THAT good! How many offices has Palin or McCain had? Count the numbers! So according to your logic Obama needs to be elected to MORE offices then McCain/Palin? Justify that logic.

3.ACORN....do I really need to spell that out for you? Yes you do out of all the spurious charges, none have stuck. matter of fact the Federal Atty's Scandel started due to the fact a deputy AG could not and would not prosecute ACORN based on scurrilious charges the White House wanted pressed. To this day and my knowledge not one ACORN conviction has been garnered notwithstanding the numerous times they've been attacked via the Republican White House.

4 Chicago Annenberg Challenge et al..

So lets see..its written by a Republican talking points rag ( The National Review) and I'm to believe everything they write? You make me laugh about a non issue.. I would suppose you think someone's sex life should be a qualifier ( if they are not Republican) or disqualifies...on perhaps what they said, did and wrote when they were 2 years old? 5? 12? 15?

Where and when does it end? "

ADark1 wrote on Oct 12, 2008 10:11 PM:

" anewcommenter wrote on Oct 12, 2008 7:35 PM:
" kevin and freeport and commonsense make a lot of sense. Gregg if you don't want a dangerous man in the white house why in the heck would you want Obama there. The guy is an absolute imbecile when it comes to knowing anything about the position he is applying for. Why would you want the same man in the white house as our enemises do? It makes no sense! "

lets see, Obama,...first in his class , editor Harvard Law Review, McCain bottom of his class. Palin 6 colleges 1 degree.
So whats your excuse for W? He's been there 7 years and STILL doesn't have a clue as he has yet again proven... "

bettye wrote on Oct 12, 2008 10:34 PM:

" I just read in the news that McCain has promised to " whip" Obama's "you know what" on Wed. night debate ..Now doesn't that sound " Presidential ?? Such Class !!! "

ADark1 wrote on Oct 13, 2008 6:52 AM:

" Freeport, really great looking research you have there.

Answer this question for me please?
Based on what you've cut and pasted,
please explain why Blacks are not involved in the Republican party in large numbers!

Glenroy, up to the same old bag of tricks I see... your statement The bottomline is Democrats are good at spending other peoples money and then blaming them for letting 'em do it. " So uhm glenroy? How do you reconcile that when the Republicans had the senate and the whitehouse and took a surplus and turned it into the biggest deficit ever?

yikes wrote in part....".. I guess I shouldn't worry if obama gets elected cause he smokes 3 packs of cigs a day.. He won't last long..."

Hey yikes! guess what? He'd QUIT smoking quite some time ago..

Hey Rocco!!!!!

Every other month Calypso Louie
( Farrakhan) claims...“The Messiah is absolutely speaking.” I'm sure you can do better then that.

musiklover...you stated " .. Don't put a self avowed muslim with the middle name 'Hussein' in the white house. "

I for one didn't know an unborn child could pick its own name...but I guess if he's the Anti Christ he can?
The verdict is out on whether you actually believe this so called *fact* or if you are just one of those folks who love throwing gasoline on fire!

kevin, great to see you're STILL throwing gasoline on fire! One day you'll turn around and see that Obama becoming President was the BEST thing that ever happened to this country!

dellasumbrella has it right..Daisy... Daisy...give ... me your...
answer....
t-r-u- u - e." " "

jwk wrote on Oct 13, 2008 7:26 AM:

" Barrack Hussein Osamabama and his associates, Rev. Wright, Fr, Flager, Farrakohn, Tony Risko, Franklin Raines, and William Ayres, is the MOST Dangerous Man to EVER run for office. He couldn' get a Security Guard Credential with his background. Get real people.. No Disrespect intended for "Security Guards" or An American Hero!! "

valleylocal wrote on Oct 13, 2008 9:08 AM:

" Right On!!! A pro-military hothead in the White House is the worst case scenario. We need diplomacy. We need strong but calm leadership. We need Obama! "

funnyyou wrote on Oct 13, 2008 10:27 AM:

" Elect Mc Cain and watch this country go into another great depression. "

ADark1 wrote on Oct 13, 2008 12:53 PM:

" I wonder what the lot of you are thinking about Obama's NEW rescue plan that is PRO- Business, PRO Middle Class and PRO -America?!

No one else has been that smart...and guess what? Its NOT a *socialistic* plan either...So I invite my blogger friends such as PPF, Sandra,kevin, freeport and the lot of you to give it a good look..While you're at it..Show me what Cain has done that is comparable! "

boonedoc wrote on Oct 13, 2008 1:54 PM:

" Say what you want....this election is OVER!! McCain had his chance to convince this country that he is the better man and now he can't even get his own party to support him. Foolish mistakes along the way, noting the biggest being his VP selection. Does he seriously believe that we are all so dense that he could sneak her past us?? We have had enough incompetency in the White House for the past 8 years. And now that the election is all but lost, the Republicans have to resort to the most vial, hatred spewing approaches because they cannot and will not accept the fact that Obama is the MAN!!!

This week, Obama is a terrorist....next week he will probably be a child molester or wife beater or maybe even an ex Nazi soldier. Maybe we should even consider trolling through his baby book and family diaries....we may be able to determine that he wasn't even potty trained until he was 3 years old. Put the torches and pitchforks down American and instead, spend some time trying to figure out how you are going to support this country's efforts in bringing financial reform and better foreign relations, regardless of who are leader will be.

Just look at McCain in action...can you seriously convince yourself that this is a man that represents change?? The only thing he can change is his Depends. He is out of touch and would not be well received within the foreign community. The other leaders of the world are waiting and hoping for an American leader that can "inspire" change, not force it upon others against their will. They will not be dissapointed come election day!! "

cvmm wrote on Oct 13, 2008 1:56 PM:

" Aren't reporters supposed to be biased? i have made my choice in whom i am voting for but to push your views on someone else is very wrong. All i know is we need a change. "

bettye wrote on Oct 13, 2008 3:49 PM:

" jwk, have you forgotten that Obama is a US Senator ?? Wouldn't you think the FBI AND the state of Illinois would know by now if he was a DANGEROUS
terrorist ?? He has been in public office over 12 years . Even McCain said to an old lady the other that Obama is a good family man and you don't have to be afraid of him as President.. Are you just not listening ?? Or is your "prejudice " showing ?? "

MarshaMarsha wrote on Oct 13, 2008 4:15 PM:

" If all of you people are right, then anarchy is the ONLY answer!

Wait a minute...

If all of you people are wrong, then anarchy is the ONLY answer!

ROFLMAO! "

Sandra wrote on Oct 13, 2008 5:03 PM:

" Where is my post from this morning around 8:00ish?
Adark1....I answered you but for some reason it did not post. NOW NVR monitor, Did you get it, and reject it? OR is there a glitch in your system. I posted NOTHING against the rules. This is the third post that you have droped that I am clueless as to why. "

ADark1 wrote on Oct 13, 2008 5:55 PM:

" Hey Sandra, lol I've lost a few as well.....trust me on this one...wasn't me doing charles bronson! "

misfit wrote on Oct 13, 2008 5:59 PM:

" Poor Sandra. You seem to be spinning into a tight little knot these days. Relax.... "

Sandra wrote on Oct 13, 2008 7:42 PM:

" ADark1,
Do you think it is just ineptness?
I wonder sometimes...because it seems the ones that get "lost" are the ones it took me the longest to research and have the most info. in them supporting my concerns.
It's a conspiracy, I tell ya! One of the Monitors loves him/herself some Obama and cannot stand anything factual that casts any shadows. Some may think me paranoid...but I know its an evil plot to keep the golden Halo about Obama's head. Farrakon sees it, so it must be there, right? lol
I wanted you to google "Obama, Ayers, Karanja — The Chicago Annenberg Challenge". It shows cronism at its finest. It is also quite fishy that many of the records of this time have gone "missing".
Also, I was not referring to the numbers of offices he's held, but the way every door seems to open for him. It has all come just a bit too easily....BUT, now I know it has to be because he's the messiah, as Farrakon states. "

Sandra wrote on Oct 13, 2008 7:52 PM:

" tight little knot...hehehaha... too funny...you would of realized that was impossible for me if you'd been brave enought to attend bloggermania. I am much to laid back to get knotted up.
I was doing my school marm impression when I said "NOW NVR MONITOR..."....but thats ok, Don't feel bad...it's hard to understand everything from so far out in left field. "

Hear Ye wrote on Oct 13, 2008 9:14 PM:

" Again... Factcheck has a new nice piece about Obama and Ayers. This manufactured concern is just a ploy from a desperate campaign at this point.

FWIW I've had 5 posts denied in the last couple days and only maybe 3 or 4 prior to that in my entire time on this site. The real zinger is that they have been responses to disgusting posts that had no business making it past the moderators to begin with. Oh well, march on we must "

PlasticPinkFlamingo wrote on Oct 13, 2008 9:49 PM:

" Obama IS a socialist. We don't need a socialist now, or ever, as president. "

Suze wrote on Oct 13, 2008 11:02 PM:

" Oh my, what a contentious thread we have going here. I resolved not to dip in, but here goes. Most have left the original point made by William Gregg; that of McCain's attitude to foreign policy, and Obama's wisdom to state he would be willing try diplomacy with certain difficult situations. I do not have a strong affiliation with either political party, but I do feel strongly about the conflicts in the Middle East. That will sway my vote. For anyone willing to open their minds and continue learning about the situation we find ourselves in, I do recommend the book 'Limits of Power' by Andrew Bacevich. A history professor, a moderate conservative and ex U.S. Army Colonel, he has a lot to say in this little book about our current military course, (he doesn't like it.) If you have time to read more, try 'Endless War' by Dexter Filkins, a prizewinning New York times correspondent who has been on the ground reporting on the Taliban, Iraq and Afghanistan since 1990's. Bacevich also dips into our economic woes too, they are both very sobering enlightening reads. "

misfit wrote on Oct 14, 2008 8:46 AM:

" Sandra, I'm flattered that you noticed that I was not at Bloggermania...or, was I? Anyway, glad to know that you are so laid back. So am I actually. Who knows, maybe we would actually get along as long as we don't talk politics. "

yikes wrote on Oct 14, 2008 9:13 AM:

" Hear Ye...No I did not make it up. Search for the report on his physical he had at the University of Chicago Hospital. It was released to the public and its avaiable to view. The Dr. said he was in good health for a 47 yr old man except for his bad smoking habit. Supossedly he's trying to quit using patches. The press is deliberately protecting his image by not showing him having his smokes before and after his public appearances. You know that if McCain or Palin were puffing away between speeches the press would be reporting that all over the world. The part about his kids calling him stinking came out in an earlier TV interview with his family, before he started having to hide his wife because she hates America. "

a teacher wrote on Oct 14, 2008 11:11 AM:

" Actually, Obama chews Nicorette, which he revealed when a reporter asked him during a news conference (the reporter asked about Obabm's smoking, noting that it has been difficult for the reporter to quit. Obabma gave him a peice of Nicorette.). Smoking is a tough habbit to break, I imagine Obama chews a lot of gum and occasionally falls off the wagon. I doubt the press is hiding it.

Ms. Obama was on the Daily Show recently, hardly a place to go if you're hiding. She seemed like a nice lady, not the raving, America hating, radical you are portraying. "

grape wrote on Oct 14, 2008 11:31 AM:

" Obama is the most dangerous.

Today in the New York Post Jessie Jackson announced that we had lost the war in Iraq.

He also stated that the attention our country has shown to Israel would be changing with Obama. "

mominapa wrote on Oct 14, 2008 11:57 AM:

" Obama is not a dangerous man. Even John McCain stated the other day when a woman in the crowd said she didn't trust him because he was an Arab, that he is not to be feared, but is a decent man. Why the smear to make him look like an Arab, a Muslim, etc. I still maintain that the smear is because he is black. Tolerance does not run through this thread in any strong way at all. Shame on all of you who make things up as you go along just to make your point. Just like Bush, Cheney, Rice, etc. "

Yikes wrote on Oct 14, 2008 12:36 PM:

" OK...so the messiah smokes and chew nicorette gum. He must be really stressed out trying to quit while running for president. His motto to quit smoking is "time for a change". "

Raven wrote on Oct 14, 2008 12:53 PM:

" yikes, I doubt if very many people even care whether he smokes or not....and the press is hiding it because you haven't seen a picture of him speaking at a rally with a cigarette in his hand or mouth.....don't know about you but speaking as a former smoker....I would find it very difficult to give a long and coherent speech with a cigarette in my mout "

anticommie wrote on Oct 14, 2008 1:47 PM:

" I do not believe Obama when he says anything. The man IS a socialist. The man DOES associate with the terrorist Bill Ayers, he DID attend Wright's church for twenty plus years, until it didnt fit his political career. The man sold out his own preacher!! If that's the case, he will sell out the American people for political advances. The left is so filled with hate towards the right, that they would vote for Hugo Chavez about now. They are blind in their support for Obama, and to them, he can do no wrong. It truly is a sad day in America. "

cab e-girl wrote on Oct 14, 2008 2:08 PM:

" Mominapa-What makes Barrack Obama a dangerous man has nothing to do with Muslim heritage, it has everything to do with his associations with terrorists and radical community leaders and his belief in redistribution of wealth. He is a socialist. "

Hear Ye wrote on Oct 14, 2008 2:11 PM:

" Yikes-

Ok you didn't make it up...someone else did and you believed it.. He uses nicorette and he has said that he smoked 7-8 cigarettes a day at his peak. That's not even a half pack let alone the 3 packs a day you claimed. Regardless, it's irrelevant to the situation. "

rage against wrote on Oct 14, 2008 2:17 PM:

" This is pretty easy to understand so hopefully some of the die-hards out there can figure it out.

Obama wants tax breaks for over 95% of American citizens. His economic plan and tactics aim to help the lower and middle-class gain back some of the economic losses they have taken. He also calls for a two year plan to offer a $3,000 tax credit to businesses for each additional full-time job they can create/fill.

McCain wants tax breaks for corporations and the upper-class. His economic plan and tactics aim to help large companies such as, oil companies, banks, military hardware manufacturers. He also aims to give tax breaks to the wealthiest 5% of Americans.

These are the facts. Please, go to each candidates website and check the information yourself. Do not allow this newspaper, or any other media source to confuse or sway your understanding of these policies, before you get them directly from the horses mouth. Or in this case the elephant and the donkey.

Personally, I feel McCain is not necessarily dangerous, I mean if we survived Bush..., but I do feel his economic policies are very inline with Bush's and are harmful to the economy. History has shown in this country that policies which promote jobs and tax breaks for the lower and middle class, like the ones Obama has purposed, result in economic growth.

The choice between the two should be clear. "

grape wrote on Oct 14, 2008 3:12 PM:

" rage against wrote on Oct 14, 2008 2:17 PM: " Obama wants tax breaks for over 95% of American citizens. His economic plan and tactics aim to help the lower and middle-class gain back some of the economic losses they have taken. He also calls for a two year plan to offer a $3,000 tax credit to businesses for each additional full-time job they can create/fill.

Rage, Obama is going to let the current tax cuts that Americans are enjoying expire. That means he WILL raise taxes on everyone. He is lying by omission of this fact.

In addition, he thinks it is "patriotic" for those making $250,000 a year to pay more than anyone. He thinks they owe anyone making less some of their cash. Isn't that Socialistic? Yes. Is that going to create more jobs? No. "

14obama wrote on Oct 14, 2008 3:23 PM:

" Come back down to reality,"kevin" ! All you do is bad mouth Obama instead of realizing that we shouldn't even BE in Iraq. If only you could realize that,then,you would see how meaningless the surge was. Why did we change direction from looking for Bin Laden ? Simple ! The oil's in Iraq,not the mountains of Afghanistan. C'mon ! You can do better than that ! "

woman voter wrote on Oct 14, 2008 6:01 PM:

" I truly cannot believe some of the propaganda that gets spewed here. Do you actually believe the ridiculous statements or are do you just have no life and spend your days trying to get a reaction out of people. Obama is not a self-proclaimed muslim....he has stated many times that he is a Christian. He is not friends with domestic terrorists...lol that is laughable. What happened to discussing the issues? Do you have so little to complain about on Obama's positions that you have to resort to character assassination....and unfounded ridiculous statements? "

ADark1 wrote on Oct 14, 2008 8:03 PM:

" Sandra, having had the pleasure of meeting you and speaking to you at length, you are anything but inept!

We can agree to disagree, however keep it coming! "

bigholla77 wrote on Oct 14, 2008 8:36 PM:

" Why should any person care that he is a muslim, educated people know that Islam is a peaceful religion. People that think being a muslim equates evil are racist and ignorant. So what if he was a muslim, When Ayers was apart of the Weather Underground Obama was a Kid. People act like he was there when they were making the bombs. When he met him obama was grown and Ayer was past his bad years. I could undestand if he was an adult. It scared the living crap out of me when Palin said that we are fighting a holy war. Give me a break!!! We are fighting a oil war. soldiers are dieing over oil. If bush was so worried about evil dictators, why didnt he go to the congo, there has been over 5 million people killed since 1998. Is that not a evil government? The reason being is they have nothing to give us. Once again why are there not more forces in Afghanistan? All they have going for them is opiom. Iraq has just what we need OIL. If we had put our full force into Afghanistan Osama Bin Laden would have been caught along time ago. "

jwk wrote on Oct 15, 2008 5:11 AM:

" There's Nothing Manufactured about Osamabama and his radical associates, friends and Team members. They are Radical, Racists and anti American. The Maninstream BS media covers everything up about his past and current Gaffs. Plus his part and Franklin Raines, Jim Johnson's on The Fannie Mae- Freddie Mac Debacle. They caused it and THEY are ON his committee.. Good Grief!!! "

rage against wrote on Oct 15, 2008 8:53 AM:

" grape,
Only 5% of the people in America make over $250,000 a year. By any account or report you read, the rich 5% in this country have gotton richer under the Bush administration, while the other 95% of people have gotten relatively poorer. Factoring inflation and such, it is unfair to say that they have actually gotten poorer. A better statement is that the margin between the rich and the poor has grown drastically under Bush, and the economic growth of the country, particularly in the middle and lower class has suffered.

Do I beleive people who make over $250,000 should pay more than somebody who makes $30,000 a year? YES. This country is supposed to help support the under-dog, the guy, girl, or family that are down on their luck.

I don't have anything against rich people. I feel that in these times, a fraction of their money, which otherwise would be spent on buying a new car, or a new house, should be distributed back into the system that alowed them to live such wonderful lives. It's called giving back. They have a roof over their head, and food in their's and their children's stomachs. There needs are met, and if they are too greedy to care for those who are less fortunate then they need to be forced to give a little of their pile to the vast, overwhelming majority.

At the end of the day remember, all this money and status won't mean anything if the 95% of us who aren't rich decide to take, instead of ask. It's a small price to pay for living in the "best country in the world", right? "

sandra wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:39 AM:

" "Why should any person care that he is a muslim, educated people know that Islam is a peaceful religion."
Excuse me while I pick myself up from the floor....
Peaceful religion?...educated people know this?
I fairly well educated, especially in the area if Islamic Terrorism, mainstrem Islam, and Reform Islam...at least for an American woman. This has been an ares of interest for me for over 25 years. So I am EDUCATED in this area, and I know just the opposite. The Muslim religion is peaceful, only when and if you SUBMIT to it. SUBMIT is the key word here. If you were EDUCATED on this subject you would know what is commonly preached by Imans in the Muslim churches.... SUBMISSION. Once Muslim, always Muslim. There is no leaving of the church. There is no acceptance of any law that goes against Allahs teachings. This means Gays are killed, anyone leaving the church is killed, adultry punished by death..etc.
Obama says he is Christian. The Muslim world would not agree with this. He is very lucky to be an American. If he lived in a Muslim country he would have committed apostasy by claiming to be Christian, and would be under a death sentence for not submitting to Islam. He will most likely still be accused of apostasy from the Muslim world...but they will only be able to kill him by a terrorist act, only because he was lucky enough to be born in the U.S.
The holy war Palin was reffering to was the one being fought AGAINST us by Islam. If the Idea of being overcome by Islam does not scare you, then perhaps you are the one that needs more education. "

Raven wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:46 AM:

" too much caffiene today, jwk?...BTW, I know it won't matter to you but Raines and Johnson are not part of Obama's committee. "

Raven wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:34 AM:

" I frankly do not care what the Muslim world consider Obama. Realistically can the rest of the world think any worse of the US than they do now...I doubt it....grasping at straws sandra

this whole line reminds of the campaign against JFK saying as a Catholic, JFK would take orders from the Pope... "

luv1mom wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:57 AM:

" McCain is now "borrowing" his latest economic proposals from Hilary Clinton. He can't even think for himself.

Obama/Biden 2008 "

a teacher wrote on Oct 15, 2008 12:22 PM:

" Sandra suscribes to the point of view that the Taliban and Osama bin Laden represent ALL of Islam. Most of the world's Muslims live peaceful lives and probably don't give America's domestic politics much of a thought.

But DO keep repeating the "Obama is a Muslim because his father was one line". I'm sure it'll gain traction some where. "

Sandra wrote on Oct 15, 2008 3:07 PM:

" Teacher states, " Sandra suscribes to the point of view that the Taliban and Osama bin Laden represent ALL of Islam."
Teacher, I said I was educated on this subject, and to hold that view would not be very educated of me, now. would it?
I really love it when people attribute things to me that are untrue.
I clearly have said so many times that your head should be spinning, if you were comprehending my words. Let me put it as simply as I can. There is Radical Islam, mainstream Islam, and reform Islam. Radical Islam are the bad guys attacking us, Mainstram Islam is very traditional, and adheres pretty fundamentally to the teachings of the Koran. Hence they do little to stop the spread of Radical Islam, since they hold many of the same views. And you are correct, the average Muslim on the street probably does not give our demestic polocies much thought, but the Imans are aware, and they do not approve of us. The only part of Islam taking an active role in promoting peace, and acceptance is Reform Islam. They are a very small faction.
Now since I have said this in oh so many ways, how in the world do you get what you said from that?
To make the statement, as someone earlier said, that Islam is a religion of peace shows very little insight into how they achieve that "PEACE".

It will certainly give me no pleasure in the future to say "I told you so" to all of the enlightened ones who think thay understand Islam, when they really haven't a clue. "

grape wrote on Oct 15, 2008 4:27 PM:

" rage against wrote on Oct 15, 2008 8:53 AM: " ... Do I beleive people who make over $250,000 should pay more than somebody who makes $30,000 a year? YES. This country is supposed to help support the under-dog, the guy, girl, or family that are down on their luck.

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rage, where is it written that the rich are obligated to help support the poor? Americans are only promised liberty and the pursuit of happiness...not handouts! Why should the rich be required to pay higher taxes than anyone else? I'm not rich but I don't like our current tax system or Obama's. They need to work on an even tax for everyone that removes loopholes for the rich. "

misfit wrote on Oct 15, 2008 9:39 PM:

" Dang Sandra...You are so smart about....well, just about everything! "

rage against wrote on Oct 16, 2008 12:03 PM:

" I agree with you grape,
But if all this country can offer me in the way of real choice is either let the rich get richer, or give a hand to the poor, I am siding with the poor. It's those less fortunate who deserve help and breaks, not the other way around.

But in the end you are right, they need to work on something that is better and even.

It's very obvious that Obama is trying to change things, there wouldn't be as much fear surrounding him and those who support him if this weren't true. "

a teacher wrote on Oct 16, 2008 2:41 PM:

" Why is it that people think that the poor don't work? "

Raven wrote on Oct 16, 2008 7:04 PM:

" maybe because they haven't had to scrape for every dime and nickel...tried to feed themselves on 3 dollars a day.....and hope none of them get sick because they don't have health insurance....or it could be they just don't give a hoot about people who are less well off as themselves... "

Reality Check wrote on Oct 16, 2008 8:00 PM:

" Hey Raven Hood, stay out of my wallet. And don't tell me who gives a hoot and who doesn't. Palin's family routinely donates over $3000.00 annually to charities while Biden averages less than a tenth of that. ($3400.00 over the last ten years) I'm getting really tired of the entitlement suckeling masses that think I owe them something. Get an education, get a job, and get off my back. "

napanfrombirth wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:03 PM:

" Gregg wrote that the days of us being a super colonial power is over and I could not agree with him more. We have no business spending our resources being the world's policeman. We are spread too thin.

I disagree with him about McCain being a dangerous man in the white house. Obama does not have as much experience as McCain therefore I feel better about casting a vote for McCain. Obama wants change and so do I. Change from the lameduck policies of Bush is something I look forward to with hope. My hope for change is with McCain. "

Raven wrote on Oct 16, 2008 11:29 PM:

" I am really glad for them...and yes I do think from a lot of the comments here, people dont give a hoot about the poor... so, what are you paying now that goes to the poor that you don't want to pay?

There are plenty of the poor just trying to do that, getting an education, as education costs rise; but in the job finding category, over 750,000 have been lost so far this year and we still have 2.5 months to go... you know I am happy that you have never had to deal with that situation, RC, but your response shows the lack of compassion that marks way too many of the posters here.... remember there may come a time you need that helping hand and it has been my experience that the poor are more willing to help one another than the rich seem to be.... "

misfit wrote on Oct 17, 2008 8:57 AM:

" Conservatives only care about themselves. They truly believe that everything they have attained is through their hard work and know how, when in fact, the majority of them have inherited money. That's cool but, that it gives them a sense of entitlement or makes them believe that they are somehow better than anyone else is what is so disgusting about these people. Charitable contributions, (write offs) don't mean they are somehow compassionate people. "

misfit wrote on Oct 17, 2008 9:00 AM:

" Another aspect of the conservative personality is that they rarely exhibit any sense of "Gratitude" for what they do have. Instead, they resent everyone that has less than them. They simply live in fear of, losing their money, not making more money or that someone is going to take their money. "

Sandra wrote on Oct 17, 2008 10:53 AM:

" Misfit...
"Conservatives only care about themselves. " and "Another aspect of the conservative personality is that they rarely exhibit any sense of "Gratitude" for what they do have."
You actually said that? Bet you are proud of it to? Amazing..... "

Raven wrote on Oct 19, 2008 11:29 AM:

" the latest from the Bush administration ....the attorney general has released new rules for the FBI...Under the new rules, agents may engage in lengthy physical surveillance, covertly infiltrate lawful groups, or conduct pretext interviews in which agents lie about their identities while questioning a subject’s neighbors, friends or work colleagues based merely on a generalized “threat.” The new rules also allow the bureau to use these techniques on people identified in part by their race or religion and without requiring even minimal evidence of criminal activity. Now who is the dangerous man? "

ADark1 wrote on Oct 19, 2008 10:41 PM:

" Just so you know raven,

Those rules came out to protect them from what they'd already BEEN doing here in the good ole USA...and right here in Napa!

I do wonder what the right wing think is now, seeing Colin Powell has endorsed for POTUS , Barack Obama!

Yuppers so I guess Powell threw out all those years of service based on what?

Lets try based on the RIGHT man for the job! "

Raven wrote on Oct 20, 2008 6:25 PM:

" I am waiting for their spin on it....they have been strangely silent... "

ADark1 wrote on Oct 20, 2008 8:12 PM:

" LOL!

Actually glenroy threw something out however I decided not to respond as I'm pretty sure the NVR mods would NOT allow it to pass....I did submit a letter to the editor however who knows, if it will make the grade..

I do believe they feel as Rush Limbaugh claimed the endorsement was based on race despite the long and well reasoned explanation given for the endorsement.

"I guess you just cant do anything nice for those (Insert word of choice here) and expect em to be grateful!" Is something I'd overheard this afternoon. Of course I jumped in and addressed that statement and was promptly ignored as If I wasn't there.

Not sure if it was due to being embarrassed that I'd overheard the statement of they simply wouldn't speak to me. ~grins was fun to see the look on her face though! "

jonb3333 wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:08 PM:

" Wow, for once I agree with a statement from Raven.
The poor are definitely more likely to help each other than the rich are...
Now quit ripping everyone elses comments raven. They have the right to their opinion. If you don't like it, so be it. You don't need to make it personal. "

Raven wrote on Oct 23, 2008 4:42 PM:

" jon, if they something outrageous I will challenge them on it...it's called a free flowing discussion of ideas... "

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