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Saturday, November 15, 2008
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The Napa High football team had no idea it would be facing a cross-town rival and crosswinds at the same time in Big Game XXXVII on Friday night.

Vintage quarterback Sean Ryan, meanwhile, had little trouble passing in the incessant breeze. His receivers just had a problem catching them.
In a mistake-filled but entertaining at a chock-full Memorial Stadium, Napa weathered its gaffes better than the Crushers and pulled away in the second half for a 24-7 win.

The victory clinched homefield advantage through the first three rounds of the CIF Sac-Joaquin Section Division I playoffs for the Indians (9-1 overall, 5-0 MEL) in their bid to repeat as section champs.
Napa attempted only one pass all first half, Charles Boyett’s seventh attempt of the season, as the Indians looked to grind out yards behind their veteran offensive line.

“In the first half, we started out with the wind in our faces, and it was a stiff breeze,” Napa head coach Troy Mott said. “We had a couple of pass-scripted plays, but we felt we could handle them up front, too, so we made adjustments with formations in our running game and it worked out.”
Napa controlled time of possession by 31⁄2 minutes in the first half and took a 10-7 lead into the break in front of a crowd of 6,800, as announced by Napa High Principal Barb Franco.

Vintage (4-6 overall, 2-3 MEL) helped the Indians out by dropping three fairly accurate long balls from quarterback Sean Ryan. The first one, on the Crushers’ first play from scrimmage, didn’t end up hurting them, as Ryan came back two plays later with a 26-yard completion to Jacob Roscoe to the Napa 11-yard line. Roscoe (12 carries, 50 yards) juked his way into the end zone on the next play and Jonny Avalos threaded the PAT for a 7-0 lead with 8:44 left in the first quarter.

The second drop came on the first drive of the third quarter and was followed by Andrew O’Shaughnessy’s sack of Ryan and a punt to the Vintage 35. Brandon Washington ironically dropped a sure Clinton Gorsuch TD pass on the next play, but Logan Hess ran it in from the 10 four plays later for a 17-7 lead with 7:12 left in the third quarter.

The third drop was in the end zone in the final seconds of the third quarter, with Vintage still trailing 17-7. It forced the Crushers to attempt a 39-yard field goal that was botched, as holder Paul Archer was tackled at the 30 by Michael Ruffino.

Vintage head coach Billy Smith said the drops didn’t really surprise him.

“That’s how our season has gone and that’s why we finished 4-6,” he said. “Plays you’ve got to make we just didn’t make. If we had, it would have been a whole different ball game.”

Ryan finished just 8-of-17 passing for 92 yards and 11 carries for 63 yards in his high school finale.

“It’s sad for Sean because he did extremely well tonight,” Smith said. “He made a few mental mistakes but he made a lot of great reads. I’m so proud of him. He’s done a lot of good things at Vintage.”

Mott agreed that the drops were a factor. “They just outran us down the field on those,” he said.

The Indians responded with a 70-yard, 15-play scoring march that ate up just over eight minutes. Charles Boyett (20 carries 129 yards) carried four times during the drive and Hess (15 carries, 88 yards) carried seven times and gained another 21 yards on a shovel pass.

Possibly expecting Boyett to run it in from the 1, the Indians instead had Boyett take a pitch from Clinton Gorsuch and throw a strike to 6-foot-7 Ben Ballantine in the right side of the end zone. Max Alvarez — who kicked a 39-yard field goal in the second quarter — added his third PAT for a 24-7 lead with 4:17 left, all but deciding the outcome.

Vintage had the early momentum, scoring on a 50-yard field after usually sure-footed punter Max Alvarez shanked his first one out of bounds. But special teams also turned the momentum back Napa’s way. On the Crushers’ second drive, Ballantine stormed in and partially blocked Bryson Daniels’ punt and David Smith fell on it at the 50.

“That’s the first punt I’ve been able to go in on all year,” Ballantine said. “There was no one (blocking) on my side. In a Big Game, everything is momentum.”

Boyett ran three yards and then 47 for the tying touchdown, breaking several tackles on the way with 12 seconds left in the opening quarter.

Along with some of Ryan’s best passes getting dropped, he was sacked four other times — by Smith, C.J. Blom, Daniel Burgess and Louie Alvarez.

“We came out in the second half pumped up,” Napa offensive guard Justin Ruffino said.

“My motto is ‘relentless.’ We linemen had confidence we would be able to take control in the second half.”

For Smith, it was a tough way to finish after a promising start to the game.

The Crushers had a chance to tie it by halftime, but Ryan was stopped by Washington at the 2 with the final seconds ticking away, and a bad hold resulted in Avalos’ kick getting blocked by Washington.
35 comment(s)

sigep739 wrote on Nov 15, 2008 12:25 AM:

" You're not right about the home field advantage for the first three rounds. Only the first round is Napa guaranteed a home game.. after that, it depends on seed match ups versus league. So, if Napa and Laguna Creek both win round 1... then Laguna Creek would actually have the home field in Round 2 (LC is a DVC #1 seed school... and DVC gets the home field over an MEL school of the same seed.

Only if Laguna Creek loses (and Napa wins) will Napa have homefield in round 2... and, consequently, all the rounds.

The funny thing is that if Napa wins that game and goes to round three, then it is guaranteed a home game in round 3... because the only number one seed in the North bracket other than Napa is Pleasant Grove of DRL. The MEL has home field over DRL.

It is a confusing system.. and not subjective at all... but that is how the cook crumbles... look at the brackets below and be sure to check out the bottom where it has the stars. "

Napa Coach wrote on Nov 15, 2008 12:51 AM:

" sigep,

You're wrong on this one. In the second and third rounds, the team with the best record if they are the same seeds gets to host. Napa will host as long as they keep winning. Go back and reread the section website.

INJUN BORN, INJUN BRED, AND WHEN I DIE, I'LL BE INJUN DEAD!!!

I hope this puts to rest who the best program in Napa is. A 10-0 JV team equaled out to a 4-6 varsity team. "

Dirty Napkin wrote on Nov 15, 2008 5:16 AM:

" 1min 45sec on the news is considered live coverage LOL That was lame. "

sportsfan wrote on Nov 15, 2008 6:59 AM:

" Here are the MEL results from this week. Final MEL standings and Playoff schedule for the MEL teams.

Standings
Overall M.E.L.
TEAM W L W L
Napa 9 1 5 0
Vacaville 7 3 4 1
Fairfield 6 4 3 2
Vintage 4 6 2 3
Wood 3 7 1 4
Armijo 3 7 0 5


Last Week Scores
Vintage 7
Napa 24

Vacaville 28
Wood 27

Fairfield 52
Armijo 23


This Weeks Playoff Games
Folsom @ Napa
Vacaville @ Nevada Union (probably)
Fairfield @ Pleasant Grove "

bandit wrote on Nov 15, 2008 7:42 AM:

" Napa Coach said, "I hope this puts to rest who the best program in Napa is. A 10-0 JV team equaled out to a 4-6 varsity team. "

That is exactly what happened! JV football is a completely different world from Varsity football. It's too bad the Vintage principal listened to the parents of these kids when they produced a petition to get rid of the previous varsity staff so the coaches of the 10-0 JV wonder-kids could lead them to the promised land and get all of them fullride scholarships to Division 1 colleges. It's obvious that the "JV" staff has been completely overmatched in their two varsity seasons. "

noblindershere wrote on Nov 15, 2008 11:43 AM:

" Bandit- could you please tell me how many kids from Napa have actually gone onto a Div 1 football school? If you think that a boat load of kids from Napa are going to get D-1 scholarships, my dear, you are wearing blinders. This is one thing that totally bugs me about small town Napa, you all think the local star athlete is on his way to D1. Please, big fish in a small pond. Boyet, one of the best Napa has seen, is at Oregon and red-shirted. He needs to grow and get better to think about playing and he was a stud. Don't blame the coaches, the Vintage team has some serious attitude problems and maybe its because their parents are telling them they are a lot better than they really are. "

calbear21 wrote on Nov 15, 2008 12:30 PM:

" Unfortunate to see a 10-0 JV team go to a 4-6 varsity season. So much promise- but Bandit is right, varsity football is miles apart from JV ball. He's also right in that parents got their wish with the coaching change, so they gotta live with the failure now. Sure there were attitude problems, but it is the coaching staff's responsibility to reign in the attitudes and have them focused toward a common TEAM goal. The previous Vintage teams that lacked in talent at least made up for it with discipline, execution, and smart competitive football. Napa High football is exemplary in this. Absolutely no excuse for this team to not even make playoffs when THREE teams from the M.E.L. go this year. It's unfortunate, because there are some good guys on this staff. "

bandit wrote on Nov 15, 2008 1:29 PM:

" NoBlinders,

You obviously missed my point. You are exactly correct. One of the reasons the parents wanted the previous varsity staff at Vintage dismissed was that they did not get enough D1 scholarships for their players. That and they actually had enough gall to hold the players accountable for their actions on and off the field. Parents are so unrealistic. There are not a lot of scholarships out there for 5'-7" QBs or DBs that run 5.1. Please reread what I originally wrote. And you are correct also about the attitude of the 10-0 wonderkids. "

napanana wrote on Nov 15, 2008 2:22 PM:

" Just my two cents worth on the Big Game.....and as usual I cheered for both sides. But what saddened me was to see the total lack of respect that Napa showed for a downed Vintage player. Not a one of the entire team "took a knee" ...... I thought one was going to, but he was just tieing his shoe.....What?
I may have Vintage Crusher ties now, but I was and am and Indian in my bones....and for the first time ...I am embarassed. Maybe I am just old.........but what happened to respect on the field guys? "

sigep739 wrote on Nov 15, 2008 4:18 PM:

" I stand corrected. I was thinking Pleasant Grove only had 1 loss. "

sigep739 wrote on Nov 15, 2008 4:21 PM:

" On another note, Fairfield is playing really good.. there could be a re-match. But I want to also add that it would look good for the MEL to have the #3 team beat PG. Some of you probably know, the SacBee stopped ranking and covering MEL schools - although their last player of the year (Boyett) and their last two city champions are both MEL schools... and an MEL school has played in several the last few years.

I am really anxious to see FHS beat PGHS (not only for the rematch) but for more respect for the MEL.

All of you should go to SacBee.com and continuously post on their forums that they should go back to covering MEL schools. "

sigep739 wrote on Nov 15, 2008 7:19 PM:

" Now I am just posting too much here! Napa has only had a solid program in Napa for about years or so... so, it received no notice from D1 schools. But they are coming on. And, it is true, maybe only one or so kids get a D1 scholarship every year... but it happens... even if they have to go to JC first. UCLA, Cal, Arizona, Oregon are some of the top flight programs in the last couple years theyve had players. "

Napa Coach wrote on Nov 15, 2008 9:37 PM:

" Hate to have to call BS on Napanana here, but after reviewing the film, just about all of Napa's players were taking a knee while the injured player was down. Taking a knee for more than a minute is not really conducive to playing football, so I'm sorry if the players on the field had to stand up and stretch their legs while the player was being attended to by medical personnel and being helped to the sideline. I think you should review the film and take your rose colored glasses off. If you want to talk about respect, how about the multiple personal foul penalties accumulated by Vintage for hits after plays were over. How about Vintage players running a Napa player into the concrete on the Napa sideline wall which is about five yards out of bounds. Napanana, you clearly display a case for the pot calling the kettle black. "

spdnpwr5 wrote on Nov 15, 2008 9:52 PM:

" Vintage has a lot of quality players coming up in the next couple years, just wait and see. Both JV and frosh teams have some very very talented skill position players, especially at wide receiver/slot receiver.

Off topic but anyways..

I think it's funny that everyone here thinks that just because you go to high school in Napa that there is no way you'll receive a scholarship. The problem is most players, coaches, fans, parents think that YOU HAVE to get D-1A scholarship or OH NO it's not respectable.. Get a grip, it's still football, paid education, etc; a chance most players/kids would dream of.

There is also nothing wrong with going the JUCO route for 2 years after high school-- there are quite a few former Napa/Vintage players who are excelling at the D1 and D2 level after playing JC football.

Marquis Hundley- Arizona, CB
Ryan Galovic- Weber St, MLB
Brock Daniels- Cal Poly, Guard
Ian Hetrick- Wyoming, QB
Kyle Fulford- Northern State, DE
John Shackford- Portland State, DE
James Hartley- ECSU, C
Carl Liponavich- Northern State, T
Mike Gibson- CAL and now NFL
Kyle Aber- Cal Poly, Safety/OLB
Zach Diaz- Portland State

The list could go on but this is all off the top of my head... most of these players listed are from class of '03-'05..

I think if you checked your ego at the door and be realistic everyone would just relax and have fun-- this is freakin high school football. "

sgtstedanko08 wrote on Nov 15, 2008 11:31 PM:

" BEFORE YOU NAPA FANS GET TOO EXCITED, LOOK OUT FOR FOLSOM. YOU BETTER WISH YOU GET THE COIN FLIP NEXT WEEK BECAUSE I SAW YOUR OPENING GAME AGAINST VISTA, IT WASN'T THAT IMPRESIVE. THIS FOLSOM TEAM IS FOR REAL. THEIR STARTING QB DAVID GRAVES IS PROBABLY THE MOST ACCURATE AND SMARTEST THROWER TO COME OF THE SAN JOAQUIN SECTION IN A WHILE. HE HAS ALREADY GIVEN A VERBAL TO UNR, AND HAS THE HIGHEST QB RATING ON MAX PREPS FOR THE ENTIRE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. BE READY FOR AN AIR SHOW. I HOPE YOUR RUNNING GAME CAN KEEP THE BALL OUT OF HIS HANDS BECAUSE THATS THE ONLY WAY NAPA WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO STOP THIS FOLSOM OFFENSE. FOLSOM 48 NAPA 21 "

napavalfan wrote on Nov 16, 2008 2:35 AM:

" wow!Whomever works this damn message bored needs to check themselves, you can approve "sgtstedanko08" comment Tfilled with trash talk towards Napa about Folsom however you can't approve my multiple comments about Big game and the other TRASH TALK that has been target towards vintages coaching staff and CERTAIN players!? I guess comments can only get approved as long as you say something good about Napa High and/or something bad about Vintage... this is bullchit, get a ducking clue and approve my damn messages! "

kracker wrote on Nov 16, 2008 9:51 AM:

" SGT, us Napa fans just can't help being excited! Napa is 31-5 the last 3 years! That ranks up there with the best programs in the state. Folsom is a good team no doubt, if they were not they would be watching the playoffs not playing in them.(sorry VC) You go back to the Vista game? what gives that was week 1? The skinny on Napa, is they get better every week! Great coaching, kids who buy into the program= another run at a Section Title!!!! Congrats and good luck to the entire Napa High Football Family! Go Indian Nation! "

sgtstedanko08 wrote on Nov 16, 2008 12:02 PM:

" NAPA WILL BE ONE AND DONE "

1NapaFF wrote on Nov 16, 2008 6:23 PM:

" A few thoughts/comments, in no particular order:

spdnpwr5 >>> I agree, JUCO is certainly a way to go if one needs some time to refine their skills and/or attract attention. There are plenty of NFL players that came from JUCO's or Div II schools, none more famous than Jerry Rice, from Div II Mississippi Valley State. Even locally ... Ken O'Brien spent his college career at Sac State and UC Davis and later became a 1st Round Draft choice in the NFL.

On another note ... Napa JV beat Vintage JV 34-14 and Napa Freshman (9-0 for the season, outscoring their opponents 325-70!) also won their "Little" Big Game, 32-7, so Napa Varsity has a rather bright future, too!

sgtstedanko08 ... You're right, Folsom is a VERY good team, but hey, that's why they're in the playoffs. By the way ... I just checked and VINTAGE, apparently, DID NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS - that's a shame - so, regardless of whether "Napa will be one & done," as you say … I hope YOU don't get a tummy ache drinking your SOUR GRAPES next week while I'm at Memorial Stadium next Friday night, watching NAPA in the first round of the playoffs; you know … in case you need to reach me!! "

WhatWhat wrote on Nov 16, 2008 8:10 PM:

" I have written many times but you have never allowed one. "

WhatWhat wrote on Nov 16, 2008 8:33 PM:

" Congrats to Napa on a great year. Bring the section title back. Not here to hate on Napa or Vintage but lets get some facts straight. Bandit.... you say it is obvious that the "JV" staff brought up was completely overmatched. First, besides the head coach and o line coach, no other member of Vintage's staff was on that JV staff. The O C was the D C on the Var while the D C was the Dbacks coach on the Var. The Dline coach came from Napa and was a Varsity coach for numerous years. The Dbacks coach came from Piner High in Santa Rosa while the RB's coach started two years ago on the Var. Second, overmatched is not the right word. If you look at common opponents played this year you will see that Vintage Gave up less points than Napa did: Rocklin (12 to 23), Armijo (21 to 28), Fairfield (26 to 28) while giving up the same to wood (7 to 7) and Vacaville (35 to 35). "

bornin74 wrote on Nov 17, 2008 12:03 PM:

" I have read throught these comments and many are coming from just "people".


Napa H.S. runs one heck of a football program, everyone can see that by the product put on the field.
It has taken YEARS to get to this point though. Coach Mott did not just miraculously show up one day and POOF GREAT PROGRAM. Napa was an average team for years, and Coach Mott was on staff!.

Napa has had a great run of ATHLETES come through the doors. Without ATHLETES you cannot win, I don't care if you are the 2nd coming of Vince Lombardi.

Vintage going 10-0 at the JV level means nothing. Coach Smith was promoted after 14 years of coaching Freshman and JV football. The previous coach was not "ousted" by parents, the program needed a new direction, as the old direction was "tired" and the kids were not responding. PERIOD.

Napa has some very good kids in the pipeline, but the refernce made above about Freshman going 9-0 and that translates holds no water either. Becuase Napa's JV team only lost ONE Game last year as Freshman and look at this year, BARELY over .500!.
Napa's JV Team sputtered this year, the Freshman team (albeit 9-0) was one of the weakest teams we have seen in a while. They played a SOFT SCHEDULE, just ask the Head Coach, he will tell you that. The Score for the Frosh game was 32-7 BUT (see you have to know the game here) Vintage was ahead 7-6 with 9 minutes left in the game!. The scores for all BIG GAMES this year was not indicative of how the games were played!.
Watch out in the next couple of years Vintage is on an up cycle! "

napavalfan wrote on Nov 17, 2008 2:51 PM:

" Bornin74, nice post. It was one of the most informed ones on here, you obviously watch and know football while not assuming or listening to rumor spreading parents. However I am surprised your post made it on here since I have tried numerous times to post in opposition to some of these statements however they do not get "approved." Maybe I need to change my font color to blue and gold? "

calbear21 wrote on Nov 18, 2008 9:32 AM:

" bornin74- I'm curious, and just what is this "new direction" the program is headed? To the contrary, if they can't win with a 10-0 JV team, what are the coaches going to do with a 4-6 JV team? I at least hope they instill some discipline in the team, because I think there were some unfortunate, embarassing moments that occurred on the field this year.
As for the kids "not responding" to the previous staff, you need only look to 2005 to see that your statement is just erronious. I think those kids responded just fine with an M.E.L. championship and upset of Napa. They were competitive, disciplined, hard-working, and believed in what was being taught. PERIOD. "

napavalfan wrote on Nov 18, 2008 10:42 AM:

" Definitely a good analysis Calbear. Coach Franco was a great coach and got stabbed in the back by selfish parents and a horrible administration. He did put discipline in that program and stuck by what he said, he didn't just preach something then when a player messed up in someway he actually acted on it.... as for all of sgtstedanko08 comments about Folsom, I suggest all of you ignore him/her because this person is just a troll on someone else's message board and is trying to get a rise out of everyone.. I suggest towards the end of the game y'all starting chanting Folsom's one n done! ..I won't be able to attend this one "

bornin74 wrote on Nov 18, 2008 12:55 PM:

" calbear & napavalfan - just want to clear a couple of items here regarding my erroneus statements:
Coach Franco is/was one of the best coaches in this Valley, I still see him on occassion and I cannot get away from still addressing him as "coach" nearly 20 years later!
Coach Franco was my coach @ Napa back in the day, until my jr. year when he was
"stabbed in the back by selfish parents and fired by a horrible administration"
(At least that is what we thought at the time, to later find out the REAL REASON, which I do not need to bring up here). I then had both of my brothers go through Coach Franco @ Vintage, graduating in '03. Very disciplined, hard working program. I agree.
Here is the catch, as it relates to the current Vintage program and the experience I had.....
When you change head coaches, there are still players left in the pipeline (Jr.,Soph, & Freshman) who have "bought in" to the previous regime. When you bring in a new coach, even if he was on staff previously (Coach Herlocker in '91 & Coach Smith in '07, both on staff coaches) they will want to bring their own "flavor" or something totally different to the program.
H.S. kids are VERY LOYAL especially when they have "bought in". Coach Herlocker's record his first few seasons as a Varsity coach was not BAD, but it wasn't GREAT, UNTIL he got "his kids" (9th graders up to Varsity, playing "his program"). The same is holding true for Coach Smith. His Junior class this year is still Coach Franco's Freshman Team. He still does not have "his" kids at the Varsity level yet. "

bornin74 wrote on Nov 18, 2008 1:11 PM:

" I am not here saying Vintage is winning section championships next year, but give Caoch Smith an opportunity to BUILD something. It takes ANY football program AT LEAST 4 years to turn around upon hiring a new coach with a new system. I understand Coach Franco may have won an MEL Title in 2005, but if I am not mistaken the record was like 6-4. SO to use some of your logic (asking what coach Smith will do with a JV team that went 4-6 this year), that 2005 team at the JV level was 8-2, but when they were freshman they were 1-7.................
What was his record the LAST YEAR he coached, in 2006? I think 5-5 or something like that. JV's were 10-0 and Freshman were 0-9 (this years' juniors)It does not matter what the records of lower level teams are. What matters is if they "BUY IN" and develop up to the varsity level. The current JV and Frosh teams have "bought in", and we can now sit back and watch them develop.Coach Smith will not even have "his kids" from top to bottom until 2010. Let's see from 2010 on how Vintage looks..... you just may see 2 powerful schools again.
Remember, you still must have athletes come through the door, and our little city goes through ups and downs at both schools Napa has an upswing for a few years and then Vintage.... Look at the records for the two schools in any sport over 30 years, you can see the ebb & flow. Coach Mott will experience this as well, at some point, will you all be calling for his head? or realize the dynamics of the situation and ride it out? For most I would guess "off with his head" "

Nation 1 wrote on Nov 18, 2008 1:41 PM:

" Born 74, I agree with most of your comments, but you need to know that Vintage was every bit as athletic as Napa this year. (Maybe more) The diffrence is simple to most football minds. Napa is way more disciplined in there approach to the game. If you foul up on this program you are gone, you dont put in the work, you dont play. Mott (staff) is a strict coach. He accepts nothing less than 100% and total dedication to the program. Congrats to the entire program! "

napafoot08 wrote on Nov 18, 2008 1:46 PM:

" first off i just want to say congratulations to napa high for winning ANOTHER big game and ANOTHER M.E.L chanmpioship. BUt i think its time we face reality here. i graduated from napa and played at napa but the league napa plays in is weak. You guys mention all this D-1 football for the kids in this town well let me just be honest with u guys, napa or vintage does not have NOT ONE PLAYER THAT COULD GO D-1or be called a playmaker!! and we need to realize that. the past napa squads had great players but i dont see that in napa this year or didnt see it at all in vintage either for the past 10 years!!! and im sorry to say that. Napa county doesnt have have the Boyett's, the Sims's, the Robledos's, the Alvarez's, the Croxdales, the Connors no one has those types of players anymore and no one see's that.

Vintage its not the coaches fault why they arent good or get D-1 scholarships its the kids. The kids arent good thats all. This is a very small town and for kids to be know they have to attend JC ball like most have besides Boyett.

I give credit to Coach Smith for giving his all these past season, but Vintage football has been done even before Franco left.

Back to now Napa all they need to do is play like a team and will have a good chance to win. they have NO player makers or big names at all. Charles Boyett is ok but not a player to count on. HIgh school football is just weak this year and i have seen it. Folsom is a great team but Napa will hopfully pull it off. "

kracker wrote on Nov 18, 2008 4:01 PM:

" Napafoot08, you prove my point. Good coacing and weight room always prevail. Napa is not as athletic as they were last year, but they might be just as good. Good coaches find ways to work with what they have. Nobody in this area does this better than the Napa staff. "

napafoot08 wrote on Nov 18, 2008 4:08 PM:

" For as long as i know there an average of 2 players each year from each school that go on and play college ball whether its Jc ball or Uni.

02-Aaron Hundley & Buddy Connor (which both dont play anomore)
03-Mike Gibson, Thomas Sims, Marquis Hundley & Ryan Galavic (which 3 of these still play)
04-Kevin Robledo & Andre Lamaruwax (one only plays now)
05- Andrew Frasier
06-Linden Fowler &Scott Johnson (only one plays)
07-John Boyett & Jake Croxdale (both still play)

Vintage im not really sure of i know there is:

02-John Shackford
03-Ian Hetrick, Kyle Aber,Kyle Fulford, Brock Daniels
04-Carl Liponavich & Zack Diaz
05-Kevin Harrell
06-??
07-??


the rosters per year at both schools are about 60 players, and an avg of 2 a year keep playing? My point here is that parents need to stop thinking that COLLEGE FOOTBALL is so easy to play and so easy to do! NAPA DOESNT COME OUT WITH THAT MANY GOOD PLAYERS THAT GO ON AND PLAY COLLEGE FOOTBALL. i know its your guys kids but when seein players outside of napa ot hsould open our eyes. Sac, Vallejo, Oakland, San Francisco players from there are more common to go then here cuz they are know. its in the player to get himself out of here and continue on playing not the parents. so sstop making it sound so easy and face it. kids in this town are good for this league but outside of it and real football? they cant do it. "

1NapaFF wrote on Nov 20, 2008 2:16 AM:

" bornin7...

To quote you … "the Napa freshmen team was one of the weakest teams we've seen in a while." That, my friend, does NOT hold up. What's "weak" about a 9-0 record? What's "weak" about a schedule that includes teams like Merced (38-16), Rocklin (40-6), and Vacaville (32-7), not to mention Vintage (32-7) … and outscoring them 142-36!

I don't know how many games you actually saw, but I saw all nine … and they had terrific athletes at the "skill" positions & SOLID line play, allowing their linebackers to pursue, shutting down the run.

Yes, the Vintage game score after 3-quarters WAS 7-6, but football, I believe, is played for four quarters! How 'bout conditioning wore Vintage down? Maybe Napa was more disciplined? Saying Vintage was winning 7-6 after 3-quarters is like saying a baseball score after 7-innings, ignoring the fact they play nine!!

I don't know if you have kids, but at this age they need discipline (a recent issue at Vintage), leadership, and effective communication, including active listening.

The point of all this is that it's not ONLY the talent and athletic ability the kids bring to the program(s). It involves effective, caring yet disciplined, coaching and the ability to bring out the best in all the players on the roster, top to bottom.

One last comment … playing college football is certainly not a given just because one plays in HS, but I think scouts are taking a more serious look at BOTH programs now, thanks, in part, to John Boyett. "

surfdogge69 wrote on Nov 22, 2008 2:10 AM:

" Hey sgtstedanko08..
Where are you now old buddy????? "

spdnpwr5 wrote on Nov 23, 2008 6:35 PM:

" Napafoot-

Those classes are a year early of the players you listed... But anyways; the 03 list you listed from Vintage actually graduated in 2004 includes (JC and/or d1a/d1aa/d2 football)

Brock Daniels, Ian Hetrick, James Hartley, Kyle Aber, John Cortese, Adam Pereria, Andrew Downing, Kyle Fulford (4 still playing, 2 not playing, 2 playing next season)

Couple others from the class of 2006 Vintage-

Jared Pereria, Kyle Mathieu, Travis Hayes.. (all still playing)

Those are the only ones I could think of now but there are definitely more.

You're only limited to what you ALLOW people to think of you. Screw all the "norms" that kids from Napa can't play college ball. If you want something bad enough go get it. "

spdnpwr5 wrote on Nov 23, 2008 6:38 PM:

" Forgot one addition
(not playing anymore but...)

Vintage Class of 03-
Grant Avayzan (UC Davis) "

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