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Obama: So far so good
Monday, December 01, 2008
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With the appointment of Christine Romer to head up his council of Economic Advisors, the key person to advise the President on economic policy, Obama has put in place an economic team that consists of centrists if not right of center policy makers. He has already put to rest the "socialist" criticism leveled continually by his Republican critics, but are they paying attention?

Conservative economist Lawrence Kudlow certainly is, saying that:
"Obama talked about a liberal-conservative consensus. But what's especially encouraging is the appointment of Ms. Romer, who easily could serve as CEA head in a Republican administration (just like Geithner could have been McCain's Treasury man)."

Another very encouraging sign this morning was when Obama announced further details of his economic stimulus plan, he made a point to say that they are also going to cut spending, mentioning cutting farm subsidies to farmers making over $2.5 million a year. The words structural reform" also came up, something that is going to have to happen if we are ever going to get our economy stable again.
The fact is that for two decades or more we have been spending more than we make at all levels, and this has artificially propped up the economy, like sawdust in a car engine that is going to eventually blow up. Everywhere you look you see examples of this. We have been running on kited credit cards and the bill has finally come due. It is so massive that tax increases are not going to fix the problem, and we have to change the way we operate on a fundamental basis, that is, structural reform.

The Wall Street geniuses that have nearly crippled the economy were making investments based on unbelievable amounts of leverage, in other words borrowing most of the money to buy various investments, sometimes up to 97% of the amount. When the borrowers couldn’t meet the monthly payments, because they too borrowed more than they could pay back, the house of cards collapsed and we now see it collapsing all around us.
The State of California has been spending more money than it has for years now. Due to things like the school initiative that requires any extra money be put into schools year by year, or the budget busting pay increases for state workers, bloated pensions, and a dysfunctional legislature that wont deal with it all, California is in a deep hole that raising taxes will not fix. There is going to have to be structural reform.

And all the bail outs. What are we really bailing out? We are bailing out old structures that are going to end up dying anyway. The car companies, financial firms that use highly leveraged investments based on greed, empty shells of companies and institutions that are being destroyed in their present form and will never be the same again. We cant do business like this any more, and the sooner we face it, the better.

The last one is the Federal government. The Federal government is in huge debt and this will not stand up over time either. They are the ultimate backstop for all this bail out money, but the obligations being taken on now are going to prevent any of the major spending programs that liberals have wanted for years, if we were ever going to be able to do it anyway.

Social Security alone will take an extra $150-200 billion a year to fix over twenty years. That’s not much you say? By itself it is very doable, but when you add Medicare which will cost even more, $5 trillion in unfunded pensions right now for Federal employees, a massive federally financed health insurance program for everyone, $150 billion a year in new energy research and incentives, the huge cost of veterans medical care coming out of Iraq, the list just goes on and on of new potential and actual demands on the Treasury. Without covering any of that we borrowed a trillion this year and expect to do the same next year, or more.

On top of all that, the Fed is flooding the banking system with loans that Bloomberg estimated are now well over $7 trillion. Supposedly this will all get paid back, but what if it doesn’t? What if only 20% of it doesn’t? That is another huge tab.

We are about to enter a long period of structural reform of our entire economy and with the way not only that business operates but also with how the government does business. It comes in many ways back to greed and the lack of responsibility, and it is not just Wall Street greed, it is union greed, it is household consumers who have 13 credit cards greed, it is the State and Federal government spending money they don’t have greed. We are all culpable in this.

We are really going to have to reign it in, which everyone has begun doing and is the main reason our economy is going south right now. Sales of everything have fallen off a cliff, people are stopping the spending, paying off credit, and starting to save money. Over the long term this will right the ship, but in the meantime it will be a lot of pain.

In order to have the kind of wealth that we were spending without having, productivity will have to increase dramatically, and that kind of increase can only happen with technological advancement, probably something on the order of the invention of the computer. That miracle could actually happen, an energy source like cold fusion that could make clean electricity cheaper than dirt for example. Until then it is going to be a painful ride, but Obama has been nothing short of brilliant in his prequel days to the Presidency in starting us on the next long, hard slog.
61 comment(s)

kevin wrote on Nov 25, 2008 1:39 PM:

" I notice you don't mention the estimated $1 Trillion deficit for FY 2009. Or the projected $2 Trillion deficit for FY 2010. For someone so concerned about the economy, I would think these would induce some small unease... "

napablogger wrote on Nov 25, 2008 2:05 PM:

" Kevin, I did mention that,

>>>Without covering any of that we borrowed a trillion this year and expect to do the same next year, or more.<<

Well, I didn't mention 2010 but I think one could get the picture.

I have huge unease about the economy, but oddly I think our hand has finally been called and it is going to be tough but I think things are going to end up on a much more solid footing. So I am also optimistic about a brighter future ahead.

I think Obama is showing the main thing I voted for him for, good management, already. "

glenroy wrote on Nov 25, 2008 4:19 PM:

" There’s an old cowboy saying that a ‘horse the defecates fast doesn’t defecate long…’

Obama stands little chance of making meaningful changes to our economy without reversing core Democrat policies and with Pelosi, Reid and Frank running the show the chance of that happening are slim to none and Slim left town….. "

Raven wrote on Nov 26, 2008 7:42 AM:

" glenroy...I would wager if Pelosi said the sun rose in the east, you would say it was the usual lib blather....you might wait and see what starts to happen and Obama's econ team is the way to begin.... "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Nov 26, 2008 9:25 AM:

" Amazing how the trillion dollar deficits were caused by eight years of Bushite-Republican mismanagement and bungling including Bush Palulsen's latest bailout of Citigroup...

YET... the Republican-enablers would have you believe that it's 'core Democrat policies' that caused the financial flameout.

The usual balderdash... it's the most polite way to say it.

~Ruff "

Paddy wrote on Nov 26, 2008 10:38 AM:

" Obama hasn't done anything yet. Talk is cheap but until he actually makes any kind of difference that's all it is. Save your accolades for a couple of years. All I've seen since his election is the stock market continue to tank.
If you want to give him credit for anything let's start placing blame as well. Oh, sorry, this anointed one was elected by liberals like ruff who know only how to play the blame game. "

PlasticPinkFlamingo wrote on Nov 26, 2008 11:21 AM:

" ruff - the balderdash is the fact that you did not mention the Dems duplicity in Congress - it's Congress that has to vote to spend, you know. We have the Dems, specifically Reid, Pelosi, Frank, Schumer et al to thank for this mess, along with Dem-enablers like ruff, who still has not caught on to the fact that he doesn't have to run against Bush anymore.

raven, if Pelosi said the sun comes up in the east I would double check that before agreeing with her. Anytime she moves her lips, you just can't be sure what is coming out of her mouth. Lack of trust = low congressional approval ratings.

NB - the only thing Obama has done so far (and in fact there is not much he can do except cheerlead from the sidelines until inauguration day) is have that huge "Office of the President Elect" sign on his podiums. How precious. Is he worried that we don't know who he is? What we have here is a monumental ego being fed. Anyone remember back when Nixon (no small ego there either) came up with those ersatz Austro-Hungarian empire dress uniforms for the White House guards? I wonder how long before the Obamessiah comes up with something silly like that, so his minions can ooooh and ahhhh all over him again. He needs that, just watch and see. And we thought Hillary had the "I deserve it" attitude - she's an amateur compared to Obama.

Come January we will see if there is leadership or if we have a subservient Obama to the Reid & Pelosi donkey show. "

PlasticPinkFlamingo wrote on Nov 26, 2008 11:23 AM:

" Volcker as head of the econ team? This is change? From what? "

Hear Ye wrote on Nov 26, 2008 11:27 AM:

" Paddy,

according to your logic you should stop being so critical of him. "

cab e-girl wrote on Nov 26, 2008 12:46 PM:

" I am actually more encouraged by his appointments. All of you that were hoping for change must be a little disappointed. "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Nov 26, 2008 2:56 PM:

" cab e-girl - I have not been struck with Republican Memory Disorder... so I know how we got into this economic disaster.

Bush and Paulsen just handed out another $300+ billion to Citigroup... another Wall Street Weasel bailout to the incompetent slugs who triggered this financial flameout.

And Bush/Paulsen did not consult with Congress... they just did it!

Yet we are supposed to believe that it's 'core Democrat policies' that MADE Bush/Paulsen pull this stunt which would have Republicans building a scaffold outside the White House if Obama had done it.

With this last thievery in mind and more to come no doubt... I am disappointed that there are NO progressives in economic positions that matter... which is exactly why the weasels are so happy right now.

Since EIGHT YEARS of Mr. Bungle's grifter-nomics has caused this disaster -- more Wall Street Weasel bailout economics -- even if 'moderated' with a 'bipartisan' face is NOT 'Change'.

When the American people have so loudly said in two election cycles that they want things changed, I losing hope that the buccaneers will get run off the ship before it sinks.

The Greater Depression is well on it's way thanks to Mr. Bungle. He sure outdid his dad didn't he?

~Ruff "

alucawanza wrote on Nov 26, 2008 4:17 PM:

" Mr. Bungle sure did outdo his Dad. He even went to Iraq to get even for his Dad. It took a bunch of lies, but he did it anyway. Now we have over 4,000 dead young men, thousands of wounded men, hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis, and no plan to get out of Iraq. Mr. Bungle did it. Along with the puppeteers who pulled his strings cause Lord knows Mr. Bungle can't think for himself.....except for impressing his Daddy.
PlasticPinkFlamingo....what's up with the sarcasm? What sign should President-elect Obama have in front of him. He is the President-Elect. He earned that sign.
You say you can't trust Rep. Pelosi. How can you trust Bush the biggest liar ever to sit in the Oval Office? How about Rove and all the other cronies? They were all liars, and they will all be pardoned in advance by Bush before they leave the White House stopping any worthwhile investigations. Just wait and see who he pardons before leaving. His true colors will come shining through. "

PlasticPinkFlamingo wrote on Nov 27, 2008 7:57 AM:

" Bush could not have done much without the willing collusion of Congress. If Dem members of Congress were lied to and believed it, then they should be impeached for stupidity, incompetence, cowardice, and anything else necessary to get them out of office immediately.

Sarcasm? Hardly. Just pointing out that we have a huge Obama ego being fed. Other presidents have also had fun poked at them, why not Obama? Is he so special that he is exempt from comment? I can see that's what is coming. That's what the national security force that Obama wants will do, spy on everyone and report to the government what they say. Now what does that remind you of? "

glenroy wrote on Nov 27, 2008 8:02 AM:

" Ummmm....the federal government has grown some 40% since Porklosi took control of the House just a few years ago..

I don't know if it's remarkable, or ignorance when Democrat's 'generically' blame Republicans for the economy? Most semi informed voters, with a reasonable understanding of the legislators constitutional authority should be intelligent enough to know which parties policies caused this mess....this stuff just isn't that difficult to first understand and then follow. If you believe, and considering, the recent Pew Report's noting that 57% of Obama supporters couldn't identify Pelosi or Reid, couldn't even name which party controlled congress....if nothing else, that alone is 'remarkable ignorance'....

. "

Paddy wrote on Nov 27, 2008 9:57 AM:

" Hear Ye - I'm not placing blame at all. Just stating a fact that pres-elect Obama hasn't done anything yet. Period.

I don't blame him for the continued tanking of the stock market but, historically, elections of this nature have tended to spark stock market rallies when someone with apparent hero-worshipping qualities takes office.
In fact, the day after Ruffs messiah won the election, it was the worst bloodbath in history:

Year Dow S&P Nasdaq President elect
2008 -5.05 -5.27 -5.53 Barack Obama
2004 +1.01 +1.12 +0.98 George W. Bush
2000 -0.41 -1.58 -5.39 No decision: G.W. Bush v Al Gore*
1996 +1.59 +1.46 +1.34 William Clinton
1992 -0.91 -0.67 +0.16 William Clinton
1988 -0.43 -0.66 -0.29 George H. W. Bush
1984 -0.88 -0.73 -0.32 Ronald Reagan
1980 +1.70 +1.77 +1.49 Ronald Reagan
1976 -0.99 -1.14 -1.12 James Carter
1972 -0.11 -0.55 -0.39 Richard Nixon
1968 +0.34 +0.16 --- Richard Nixon
1964 -0.19 -0.05 --- Lyndon Johnson
1960 +0.77 +0.44 --- John Kennedy
- Source: Reuters EcoWin "

Paddy wrote on Nov 27, 2008 10:01 AM:

" Here are the rest of the numbers (before 1960):

Year Dow S&P Nasdaq President elect
1956 -0.85 -1.03 --- Dwight Eisenhower
1952 +0.40 +0.28 --- Dwight Eisenhower
1948 -3.85 -4.15 --- Harry Truman
1944 -0.27 0.00 --- Franklin Roosevelt
1940 -2.39 -3.14 --- Franklin Roosevelt
1936 +2.26 +1.40 --- Franklin Roosevelt
1932 -4.51 -2.67 --- Franklin Roosevelt
1928 +1.20 +1.77 --- Herbert Hoover
1924 +1.17 --- --- Calvin Coolidge
1920 -0.57 --- --- Warren Harding
1916 -0.35 --- --- Woodrow Wilson
1912 +1.83 --- --- Woodrow Wilson
1908 +2.38 --- --- William Taft
1904 +1.30 --- --- Theodore Roosevelt
1900 +3.33 --- --- William McKinley
1896 +4.54 --- --- William McKinley "

napablogger wrote on Nov 27, 2008 12:29 PM:

" What Obama has done so far is competent management, something we have not seen in eight years. He has hired some of the most seriously competent economics and now military people and is giving confidence and hope to everyone but the most partisan who are still repeating Ayers, Acorn, socialism in their sleep, apparently.

The Republicans that are still bashing him better be careful because he is doing really well and is not at all turning out like they predicted. It wasn't difficult to see during the campaign and really when you look at his whole life that he is a practical minded person who is going to govern from the center.

He is striking that tone even more than I had hoped for. The guy is smart. Maybe rather than everyone tear him down let's give him a chance for a change.

This constant back and forth of trying to tear down the other parties President is moronic. Obama seems like he may be able to put a lot of that to rest. "

napablogger wrote on Nov 27, 2008 12:30 PM:

" By the way, Happy Thanksgiving Everyone! "

Raven wrote on Nov 27, 2008 12:59 PM:

" glenroy, wrong as usual...there has not been 40 percent growth of the gov since 07...when the dems took back control...

"it was the worst bloodbath in history" paddy...the worst bloodbath happened before the election......sept 29.....778 points.....not after......pesky lil things those facts... "

misfit wrote on Nov 27, 2008 3:08 PM:

" Paddy...Why don't you get some sleep. "

Paddy wrote on Nov 27, 2008 5:50 PM:

" Raven - I forgot you like to twist everything to fit your view of life. It was the worst day-after-election stockmarket bloodpath in history. It's the reason I provided you with the numbers.

misfit - can't sleep, the fox is about to enter the hen house. "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Nov 27, 2008 9:16 PM:

" Been away celebrating Thanksgiving with my Pearl Harbor survivor father-in-law.

How many people who are claiming that Barack Obama has some kind of huge ego saw the Barbara Walters interview?

What a refreshing change from Mr. Bungle! A man who insists that if his daughters have a dog they must scoop the poo, hardly sounds like much more than a decent family man to me.

And... forgive me, but I forget the last time Mr. Bungle or any of his self-important cronies handed out food at a food bank. The Obamas are setting a great example for all of us.

No need for gatling gun armed helos circling overhead unless you are a crook with a troubled conscience.

Finally a decent man who wants to do more for American than help weasels loot our nation's treasury and youth.

~Ruff "

kevin wrote on Nov 27, 2008 11:29 PM:

" How pathetic. B.O. needs THREE limos with 5" bullet pruff glass and that get 10 mpg. Where's the green? "

Raven wrote on Nov 28, 2008 7:51 AM:

" you didn't say that Paddy.... just going by what you said...and frankly a 5 percent drop ain't much of a bloodbath... "

misfit wrote on Nov 28, 2008 12:43 PM:

" Paranoids!!! "

Raven wrote on Nov 28, 2008 3:07 PM:

" take it up with the secret service...three limos has been standard for years, kevin.... "

alucawanza wrote on Nov 28, 2008 8:28 PM:

" Stupidity, incompetence, and cowardice are not impeachable offenses. If they were our Mr. Bungle would have been impeached right after he sat reading a story to children instead of acting when told by an aide that our country had just been attacked in New York. He sat there for over seven minutes without answering the call. That was stupid, incompetent, and cowardly. He continued to read the child's book. Guess he just wanted to know how it ended!!
The Senate was misled into voting for giving the president authority to go to war. They were lied to, given false intelligence reports, and misled by trusted colleagues who had also been duped. It's all history now and well documented.
How do you know what Obama wants his national security force to do? You are sarcastic as well as psychic!! Wait and see. I believe that Obama is a man of honor. We're not used to that.
Mr. Bungle has shamed this country and, at last, we may be able to regain our pride in America with a President who is a man of good character. It has been a long eight years. "

Dwayne wrote on Nov 28, 2008 8:35 PM:

" Despite his being elected by fools, Obaaaaama, himself is no fool.

The sheepherder has to be a little bit smarter than his sheep. He only profits when he gets them to the slaughterhouse. Those who run off the nearest cliff cost him money and power.... "

Jasper wrote on Nov 28, 2008 10:26 PM:

" I think that napablogger has written a serious and mostly accurate perception of the new guy on the street.

I have several concerns. First is that he may not be able to control the Pelosi people who just want to throw money to their constituents. We cannot afford those earmarks. We cannot afford more of the same old pork barrel.

I am also concerned about rushing into infrastructure programs without some safeguards. I do not trust the contractors, the equipment manufacturers and distributors or the construction labor unions. Unless some kind of oversight is cranked into these programs we will see large scale corruption. During the Depression, roadbuilding was labor intensive. Is it labor intensive today? Will it really create the jobs we need.

Which, finally, is my major concern. The reasons we are in a recession are two-fold.

One is that the family on G Street has been buying too many goodies on credit cards and they are so deep in debt that if Papa or Mama loses their job, they are in deep trouble. And the feds can't really help out all these dummies who just had to have a new TV.

Two is that the basic problem of America losing jobs. So our foundation of working people has shrunk and the effects hit manufacturers and retailers hard. Obama must get off this kick of bailing out the lenders (so they can lend more money to people who are already up to their ears in debt) and create some jobs which will move us long-range, not just short-range, toward a smarter economy. What should we be producing, if not GM cars? That is the question. Identify that and pour money into creating those jobs. "

napablogger wrote on Nov 29, 2008 2:00 AM:

" Jasper, thanks for not acting like a Yahoo like much of the rest of the thread.

I share your concerns. I believe putting government money toward infrastructure is one of the most economically stimulative ways the government can spend money, so that is why that is considered a preference on the economic stimulus. Long term better infrastructure helps business and saves money.

The contracting business on major government projects does need to be cleaned up, the government employee union situation is another greedy faction that has to get dealt with at some point. I think I will write about that this week.

The realization that I think should shock all of us that is that greed and lack of responsibility on many levels and with both Republicans and Democrats are why we find ourselves in this deep hole right now. No stimulus package is going to fix it, only help maybe make it go away a little faster.

America needs to do some deep soul searching about greed and being responsible for ourselves. From credit cards and ridiculous debt, to feeling entitled and owed and refusing to be responsible, to the really shocking level of corruption on Wall Street, to the power plays of government employee unions especially right here in Calfornia, with pensions and other compensation.

People have taken advantage and the system is busted. The bill has come due. Are we going to face the challenge?, because as I have been saying since I started writing this column, it is a crisis of character. "

kevin wrote on Nov 29, 2008 10:37 AM:

" What a shame the Indians didn't call B.O. and have him come over to Mumby and negotiate with the terrorists!

He could have ended it all with no bloodshed. Obviously they were reasonable people just looking to resolve their issues diplomatically.

Why won't people just give him a chance! "

NVGal wrote on Nov 29, 2008 11:20 AM:

" To Paddy’s point, the market has reacted poorly to Obama being elected. The only decision that Obama has made that the market loved was his appointment of Geithner, that is about it. Obama is shaping up to be an ultra protectionist of the middle class and will use government to create jobs and hold jobs here. The drawback to this plan is that we will have to borrow money, and that money will most likely come from China. If he plays it too safe and tries to protect the middle class too much he will miss opportunities to help America grow for the next generations.

My biggest complaint about him was that he wasn’t going to be able to recognize and navigate the global world in order for us to move forward, I have seen nothing from him thus far to make me change my mind about this. Canada has already signed a trade agreement with Columbia, so one emerging market will be getting their goods elsewhere as Obama plans to subsidize America with borrowed foreign money. "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Nov 29, 2008 12:54 PM:

" Even conservative economists are saying that a major stimulous is required to stave off the Bush Greater Depression.

Just sending out checks again will not do the trick because paying off debt will not increase employment. The government must upgrade out crumbling infrastructure and see that people are hired at a decent wage so they have some spending power again.

We could do some smart things with bankruptcy and foreclosure laws to enable people to re-enter the marketplace. Otherwise we are going to have out-of-work people homeless at the same time there are tens of thousands of empty foreclosed homes.

Getting all moralistic about whether somebody bought a TV set last Christmas is not going to help because people who are indentured for 5 years under the current bankruptcy law are not helping the economy recover.

~Ruff "

freeport56 wrote on Nov 29, 2008 1:07 PM:

" Curious, "Obama gets a so far so good" and has done nothing but reinstall the Clinton Administration.

Ruff(al cardwell)- seems you missed the previous eight year administrations demands that everyone be allowed to own a home.............no matter the circumstances. I do love a good selective memory.

NB_ Just start looking at the executive orders on January 21st. I am guessing that there will be at least 100 already done. "

steph wrote on Nov 29, 2008 3:55 PM:

" LOVED the interview with Barbara Walters. The Obama family is absolutely adorable. Michelle did not make the same mistake that Hillary made; Michelle is proud to devote her career at this time to her husband and her children. Good for her, good for them, good for us. She could very well be the first woman president of the US.
I do have hope that Obama will be a great president. I had hope that our governor would be a great governor, but dirty politics got in the way. Let that not happen to our next president.

Heated arguments ensued at my house on Thanksgiving. I am one who has a good salary and no "loopholes" save a 401k--I pay the alternative minimum tax. I would not mind paying more, but here's the kicker: the ultra rich are NOT paying their fair share, nor are the entitlement-oriented folks on SSI and the like who contribute nothing. And the government wants more of my money, when I'm already paying and paying, so that they can turn around and hand it to shady contractors and the likes of AIG and the auto unions and their overpaid CEO's. Well, forget it! You wanna sell me an infrastructure bond? I'll buy it, as long as the contracting process is fair, and we build common-sense infrastructure. I'll buy a school bond if I never have to hear of perfectly useful furniture being thrown away while science teachers struggle to outfit their classrooms.
Where, oh where, is my leadership?
And while we're at it, can we fix the ballot initiative process that allows ignorant voters to decide how our government spends money in a piece-meal process? That is insane and needs to stop. "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Nov 29, 2008 4:32 PM:

" freeport56 - Hilarious guess about my identity! As with most Republican-enablers... WRONG!

I wouldn't mind meeting Al Cardwell because as a commneter -- he has nailed the greedhead mentality displayed by the 'Blame Other Americans First' crowd so entrenched in the minds of the Usual Suspects.

I haven't been all that happy with the Clinton retreads myself but I finally found an Obama appointee to REALLY LIKE!!!

Another skinny guy with a funny name, "Austan Goolsbee" in one of the second tier economics advisor slots. Just his great job dismantling the McCain Campaign's wrong headed economics plan was... PRICELESS!!!

He said there was more detail on what was inside on the back of a 'Fruit Loops' box than there was on the McCain economics plan.

Oh, I do... ;o) loves me a loud, proud, un-abashed Keynesian economist!!!

This coming year is going to be really ugly economically, so it's nice to see SMART SASSY 'Demand-side' people take apart Friedmanist 'Supply-side' trolls!

Found an interesting site called 'The Next Right' where there are actually some Republican intellectuals trying to autopsy the reason the Republican Party 'brand' has flopped so spectacularly since 2000.

One hint... being NASTY doesn't attract voters so much anymore. Republicans have lost blacks, hispanics, women, college educated, technical people and now are about 2% shy of losing men.

On the bright side, Repubs are still pretty strong with apalachian, homophobes and old people although that is a dwindling demographic to bet your future electability on.

Cheers, fp56! Take another spin!

~Ruff "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Nov 29, 2008 5:05 PM:

" NVGal - We are going to do what we always do... print money and the Fed is going to buy the bonds the US Treasury issues. Except the fedwire doesn't even require a printing press.

The middle class needs good paying jobs and the USA needs infrastructure. Our debt load is about 40% of GDP which is far lower than the end of WWII when the debt load was over 100% of GDP.

Housing prices will continue to fall until the buyers have money to buy again. The US consumer needs spending power without incurring more debt.

Since so much of the world's debt is denominated in US$ we can maintain creditability by raising taxes back to Clinton levels and cutting taxes on folks making less than $250,000 a year. As the economy turns around we have time to make more adjustments.

I read a good idea about cutting the first $200 per month of FICA tax at the low end, and taking the cap off on the high end, which would put $2,400 in the pockets of every person who pays Social Security taxes. A GREAT IDEA!

Otherwise, maybe we should just go back to say... the taxes under the Eisenhower administration?

~Ruff "

anticommie wrote on Nov 30, 2008 8:31 AM:

" Ruff said:

"I wouldn't mind meeting Al Cardwell because as a commneter -- he has nailed the greedhead mentality displayed by the 'Blame Other Americans First' crowd so entrenched in the minds of the Usual Suspects."

You "blame other Americans" too, Ruff. Why? Because we are all AMERICANS. Wow, What a concept.

I love the fact that Obama has to appoint conservative econimists, and not fulfill his "Promises" he made in the campaign for president, because it just proves that even a left wing socialist like Obama KNOWS that TRUE conservative economic principals work the best. I love it!! It just proves that the left is wrong once again, the the REAL conservatives are right. Long live Conservativism! Begone with Socialism.

One more thing:

On the other side of this coin, Obama is appointing a whole lot of "Washington Insiders" that he supposedly was trying to "change." The left believed this man of "change." The sad thing is, they will never admit it. When Obama is forced to implement conservative principals, the left will call them liberal principals. The left is going to try and hijack our already proven tactics of economics. Dont get me wrong, I hope Obama does implement my beliefs, just make sure that the conservatives get the pat on the back for being right. "

Incognito wrote on Nov 30, 2008 11:01 AM:

" So far Obama is doing a great job!!

What is wrong with socialism? Look at Holland, Norway, Sweden Switzerland,France, etc. Those are socialist countries. Oh yeah forgot about Cuba! Better services for it's citizens then in the U.S. Any country with an embargo imposed on them would not be doing well either.

Greed is what brought this country down and is going to keep sinking it!!

Have the rich pay more taxes!! Didn't those car CEO's that went to beg congress for money get their planes and expenses written off as work related items? Something is not o.k. here. Private jet written off as work related item???

Goverment should not be bailing anyone out!! Then they should bail out the guy down the street who's house is in foreclosure too!! They did the same mistakes as AIG, Lehman Bros., Citigroup, etc. "

anticommie wrote on Nov 30, 2008 1:49 PM:

" Incognito:

I bet you think Che Geuvara is a hero too. What is wrong with socialism? Simple, The government controls the people. Simple as that. There is a reason this country has become the most influential and wealthy of states. It wasnt socialism that created it, it was capitalism. The people arent taxed 50% plus on their income like they are in your examples.

You think Cuba is a great country?! Wow! Do some research. or better yet, ask yourself this question: Why do people flee Cuba to come to America?

As far as the private jets. I honestly dont care that they purchase those products, because that is the wonderful thing about private business and freedom of business. I DO have a problem with people like Al Gore, Pelosi, and all those other so-called "greenies" that preach about emissions, then fly back and forth the country in their PRIVATE jets, that burn more fuel in one trip than my truck will in its lifetime. Its the hypocracy.

You are right on one thing: The government should not bail out anyone I agree. Im suprised that you dont support any bailout because now the government is going to have ownership over private banks, which is socialism. You like socialism. I say, Let the banks fail. The free market will work itself out. "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Nov 30, 2008 2:38 PM:

" AuntieConnie - You seem to be more than a little confused.

It has been so-called 'conservatives' like Phil Gramm who made disasterous moves like removing the separation of investment banking and community/commercial banking that has brought about this financial flameout!

If you want real conservative economic principles how about the tax rates on the rich that existed under Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhouwer? The top rate was 91% with 'investments' requiring far longer to qualify for the capital gains rate than today.

And that Republican warned us against the warmongers that masquerade as 'conservatives' today.

Clinton was a supply-sider compared to Republican presidents from the 'good old days', "my friend".

Please check who you think is a conservative, eh? We've had eight years of self-styled 'conservative' financial ruin thank you very much.

~Ruff "

anticommie wrote on Nov 30, 2008 3:59 PM:

" Ruff:

you just love to name call dont you? I wont drop that low.

The regulation on banks to ALLOW if not force banks to give faulty loans to people, were forced upon by LIBERAL thinking regardless of if that LIBERAL was a Republican or Democrat. Politicians wanted people to own homes so they could prance around and say the are for the poor, and feed their egos. So these banks were forced by organizations, like ACORN and other special interests groups. If they didnt, then the organizations would protest those banks as being racists, bigots, and all the other wonderful words liberals use against their political enemies.

And if you think the past eight years has been conservative you are wrong. The past eight years under Bush (who ran on conservativism, but is apparant he is a fiscal LIBERAL) has helped bring this disaster on this country. Your beloved Clinton is just as much to blame for policies he signed in the 90's. "

Raven wrote on Nov 30, 2008 6:02 PM:

" anti, as been pointed out so many times to be ridiculous......there was no vast liberal conspiracy...the blame can be well spread out among both parties...and no bank was forced to make a bad loan...their own greed undid them on that issue....

what the CRA did was make banks look at the areas they had branches in as they were investing, to help end the practice of red-lining areas in a city or town...

so lashing out with LIBERAL in caps is not name calling I guess anti?... "

sickothis wrote on Nov 30, 2008 9:31 PM:

" Actually Raven - the banks that followed the actual INTENT of CRA are doing quite well. Quite well indeed. Part of the reason for that is one of the requirements is to actually know to whom you are loaning. Catch last month's Fortune mag for a rundown of those banks with less than 2% foreclosure on subprime loans.

Most of what we see here is mindless uninformed drivel - repeating the tripe they hear from Rush and Beck. If they actually read and did a little homework, they might have a different argument. For Example - Bush's last 8 years weren't liberal, but nor were they conservative. They were pure Neo-Con, in an attempt to so severely cripple the economy, saddle the Federal Government with such huge deficits and massive debt that it would have to essentially bankrupt, and wipe out all social programs including Social Security. Pretty simple paraphrase, but it is the fact. "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Dec 1, 2008 2:23 PM:

" Come on, AuntieConnie - Surely you are not torgued off because some folks like me think you are a Republican-enabler and say so!

I should think that Republican-enablers would be proud of their calling!

Just because the very word 'Republican' is becoming an epithet like 'Hooverville' and now Bushville' it is no time to get all wobbly about it!

~Ruff "

Skip M. wrote on Dec 1, 2008 4:11 PM:

" Impeach Obama! "

alucawanza wrote on Dec 1, 2008 6:36 PM:

" It wasn't a Liberal conspiracy that caused the housing crisis. That's really preposterous.
What caused the housing crisis? Unscrupulous lenders, appraisers, and real estate agents and brokers. It was an unspoken conspiracy. They knew, at the time of sale, that the buyer wouldn't be able to pay for the house. They knew that the adjustable rates would go beyond the ability of the buyer to pay. They knew that the value of the house was inflated. They just took their commissions and soothed their sociopathic consciences with the knowledge that they let the buyer read the documents. It wasn't their fault that there were many pages that were undeciperable, written in legalese that couldn't be readily understood. They explained "everything", didn't they? Buyer beware!
Why are you blaming the liberals for this. Every realtor I know is a Republican... Get a lawyer before you sign any real estate agreements. You are at great risk if you don't. It's worth the fee. Protect yourself.
So now I'm hearing that mortgage brokers are telling their old customers to just not pay their mortgage payments for three months. Then they'll be qualified for a refinance rather than a foreclosure. This all happened during the Bush administration. There was no oversight or regulation. Don't blame the liberals. Everything went to blazes because we had to fight a war, give our attention to Iraq, all based on lies, with the moron who couldn't pronounce "nuclear". I can't wait for January 20.
BTW...You can't impeach a president- elect. LOL...if you could, then you'd have Biden. Think of that. Think of who would come next if you impeached Biden. "

Raven wrote on Dec 1, 2008 8:04 PM:

" ah yes, president Pelosi...that would serve them right....;-) "

NapaConservative wrote on Dec 1, 2008 9:33 PM:

" so far so good???

Hillary Clinton, Harry Reid and Nanci Palosi are NOT my idea of so far so good... they are my idea of OH MY GOODNESS WILL WE SURVIVE THESE NEXT FOUR YEARS??!?!?!!?!?!? "

jwk wrote on Dec 2, 2008 12:28 AM:

" WHat will be worse than the economy since the Demo's took over Congress in 2006, will be Osamabama's Economic, Foreign Affairs and Security policies. The Obama recession is in FULL swing. Everytime he opens his mouth or appoints another Old Clintoon retread, the Stock Market plummets further. Wow looks like Change alright. "

kevin wrote on Dec 2, 2008 4:59 AM:

" Someone made a great suggestion on another blog; Bush and Cheney should resign immediately. Pelosi would become President for 30 days. But she would have to first resign from them House! "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Dec 2, 2008 10:54 AM:

" Well, a fresh tank car of Republican-enabler KoolAide has obviously arrived.

The parrots have already started squawking!

I especially enjoy laughing at the "The Obama recession is in FULL swing."

The Bush recession began in 2007 according to the Bush administration!

What thin gruel the Republican-enablers are trying to live on.

~Ruff "

sickothis wrote on Dec 2, 2008 9:23 PM:

" The real recession started well before then Ruff. Probably more like 2003/04. About the time that Greenspan started dropping interest rates like a hot piece of slag. History will show that the Shrub camp pulled a heck of a Snowe job. "

grape wrote on Dec 3, 2008 8:46 AM:

" Say all you will about Bush and the economy but almost every time BO announces a new appointment the market tumbles. Can you imagine if the coordinated attack that Biden spoke about happens? And you thought 9/11 was bad for the economy. "

Skip M. wrote on Dec 3, 2008 3:54 PM:

" alucawanza:

It looks like you are unfamiliar with my "Impeach Obama" campaign. I started this way back before the primaries. It is sort of a spoof on the crowd that repeatedly called for the impeachment of President Bush and VP Cheney ever since their original election.

Personally, I have my reservations, but wish them the best. Our country depends on the success of the sitting administration. I may not agree with Mr. Obama's philosphies, but he won the election, so he deserves our respect. But, that respect is now his to loose. "

Hear Ye wrote on Dec 4, 2008 9:02 AM:

" What 'coordinated attack" did Biden talk about? "

Ruff Limblog wrote on Dec 4, 2008 10:18 AM:

" sickothis - Who was president during 2003/4?

Same guy as 2007.

It doesn't really matter when the same guy' admits the recession began... it's STILL HIS!

The Republican parrots are going to lie and squawk that it's the Obama recession anyway.

Obama still has to clean up Bush's dungpile.

~Ruff "

mytwocents wrote on Dec 4, 2008 12:56 PM:

" Paddy:Obama hasn't done anything yet......? Ah it's because he's the president elect. "

mytwocents wrote on Dec 4, 2008 1:01 PM:

" kevin wrote on Nov 27, 2008 11:29 PM:

" How pathetic. B.O. needs THREE limos with 5" bullet pruff glass...." Oh Yes, you betcha -thanks very much to Mcain/Palin's hate mongering. The best man won, give him a chance. "

Lexme2 wrote on Dec 5, 2008 4:30 PM:

" Grape - You are exactly WRONG! Check your facts. Every appointment Obama has made since winning the election has seen an immediate raise in the stock market. Do you even bother checking your information before posting or just put up what you think sounds good. There was an interview on KGO 2 days ago about this exact question, it is very clear, maybe you should check. "

Raven wrote on Dec 7, 2008 6:56 PM:

" another great choice for cabinet...Gen. Shinseki as VA secretary "

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