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oldtownnapa wrote on Mar 4, 2009 5:47 AM:
Interesting fact: every participant in the court mandated Napa County DUI program must sign a contractual agreement which includes a confidentiality clause to help protect the anonymity of the other participants. Violation results in dismissal. Shouldn't our local paper follow their lead?
All of these people will already have punishment and education as meted out by both the Court and the DMV. So, what is the newsworthy purpose of this list? "
yoyo wrote on Mar 4, 2009 8:44 AM:
this is public information. any reason for arrest is. "
reason-ator wrote on Mar 4, 2009 11:11 AM:
I don't know what the NVR has against credibility, but they obviously continue to fight having any.
Shameful. Innocent people are suffering through mis-identity and involuntary association, and the NVR thinks the high road stays muddy the longest.
I apologize for yesterday implying that the NVR had finally shown some class by not not publishing the list this month. I should have known it was just late. What a surprize. "
tiredofcomplainingnapkins wrote on Mar 4, 2009 1:44 PM:
What do you mean by people are surffering through mis-identity? Do you know people personally who couldn't get a job or some other suffering hardship due to their name being on this list? Just because someone has the same name as someone else doesn't mean these people are suffering. Anyone that knows a name on here knows wether its their friend or family. I'm sure when someone goes to get a job the employer doesn't check the Napa DUI list first. Give me a break, Suffering, get real. I know a guy named Jesse Garcia and I've seen Jesse Garcias name on here multiple times doesn't mean that I think its my friend. "
oldtownnapa wrote on Mar 4, 2009 2:22 PM:
This list has no deterrence purpose and only serves to humiliate & worse- to threatens jobs & at a time when we are suffering the worst recession since WW2. In a cost/benefit analysis, how is it serving our community? These people will already be severely punished- it's just kicking someone when they are down. It's an online version of shackling people in the town square. "
reason-ator wrote on Mar 4, 2009 2:37 PM:
Also, another blogger mentioned a family who lost a father and husband because someone who got their name mentioned every day on this list evidently could not take the shame and took his own life. I do not know who it was, and I do not know the circumstances. I just know that it's a possibility.
A child should not lose their father because of the NVR's petty vendetta.
I also do not think that anybody who is impaired enough to choose to drive drunk is smart enough to consider a newspaper feature more important than the possibility of killing themselves or others or merely getting arrested and paying thousands of dollars of fines.
Simply put, I think this list does no good. It also probably caused harm to innocent parties.
If something possibly causes more harm than good, why do it ?
Meanwhile, many other people are just as impaired while participating in an illegal but socially-acceptable activity. We do not see a daily mention of those people for a whole month, and yet their actions are much more deliberate and just as impairing. Why isn't there a list for them ? Is it because NVR employees have to do it as part of their job ? "
tiredofcomplainingnapkins wrote on Mar 4, 2009 4:16 PM:
Your last paragraph, I don't understand it? What is the illegal activitiy and what list would you like to see of them? And for the person who lost there father or husband because of the shame of a DUI, I think there was a lot more problems in there life then just a DUI. And a DUI is something you should be ashamed about, its irresponsilbe, dangerous, and unacceptable. NVR puts out a list of DUIS, must people in Napa know it, if you get caught driving drunk you WILL be on that list, end of story. ANd as for the person who couldnt get a job because of this list, I have a feeling you are making this up. Its very easy to show a potential employer it wasn't you who recieved a DUI, and I highly doubt anybody would turn to this list for a background check, anyone can go to the courts and get a background check. And you say if "something causes more harm than good then why do it?" Drunk Driving does more harm than good, so why do people do that? Stop trying to defend these people and bad mouth the NVR "
reason-ator wrote on Mar 4, 2009 5:39 PM:
The activity I'm talking about is people talking on cell-phones. Studies have shown that they are AT LEAST as impaired as a legally drunk driver, and have reflexes up to three times longer than a drunk driver. It is illegal, and people know they are breaking the law, while a drunk driver may not be aware he/she is legally drunk. But cell-phone violaters get a free pass, and there are more of them. A CHP officer recently said distracted drivers are the #1 cause of accidents- not DUIs.
AS far as the story about the suicidalperson, yes, I admittted I did not know the person who obviously had to have other problems, but apparently he mentioned the shame list and not the others.
AS far as the job process, no employer in their right mind is going to get into details about why they didn't hire someone because of the possible legal repurcussions. They only admit that they found a better-qualified candidate. All I know is the employer was VERY interested in me and my almost 20 years of experience and my almost perfect performance evaluations, and then "my" name showed up on the list and they weren't interested anymore.
Not only am I making that up, just think about how you'd feel if I implied that you were making up something. Then consider how happy I am since someone actually accused me of that in a public forum. I'm being gentle to keep the robo-censor from getting activated. But if someone called you a liar, that person would drop a class layer or two in your perception- unless you had actually lied. I'm not. "
reason-ator wrote on Mar 4, 2009 6:04 PM:
I didn't think so.
While I've often critized the NVR, I'll commend them for printing my critical posts.
Although a bunch of them seem to be disappearing lately. "
napasfinest wrote on Mar 4, 2009 8:01 PM:
tiredofcomplainingnapkins wrote on Mar 4, 2009 8:14 PM:
I disagree, I like looking in it each month and seeing the names of people I know who got a DUI, I always know at least one person. It deters me from ever wanting to drink and drive because I would not want the Shame of my name being there for everyone in Napa to see. And if the list deters at least one person from drinking and driving then its doing its job. "
reason-ator wrote on Mar 4, 2009 9:09 PM:
injoy wrote on Mar 4, 2009 10:39 PM:
Keep it up NVR..I am proud of you. "
reason-ator wrote on Mar 5, 2009 10:26 AM:
bornin74 wrote on Mar 5, 2009 12:13 PM:
gladtobgone wrote on Mar 5, 2009 3:49 PM:
napa1968 wrote on Mar 6, 2009 7:35 AM:
im with 'ya on that, "
grownhere wrote on Mar 6, 2009 9:32 AM:
grownhere wrote on Mar 6, 2009 10:01 AM:
reason-ator wrote on Mar 6, 2009 12:05 PM:
I have had friends killed by drunk drivers. I do not advocate it.
But having a personal vendetta that results in harming innocent people is almost criminal. And a lot of other things. Put in a different context, the people who did that would be prosecuted.
Meanwhile, people who break the law and impair themselves just as much by talking on a cell phone while driving don't have a list of their offense posted daily for a few hundred to see. It's hypocritical. Admit it.
Nah, that's not gonna happen. This s DUI we're talking about. It's not even the #1 cause of traffic accidents, but we still would never do that. Just as we wouldn't talk on a cell phone while driving a car, since distracted driving is the #1 cause of traffic accidents. Nope, we're above that. We're not hypocrits with personal vendettas. "
wipemedown wrote on Mar 6, 2009 2:46 PM:
grownhere wrote on Mar 6, 2009 3:02 PM:
You call it a personal vendetta.... I feel it is quite personal to you, and i am not sure why the protection of the amninity of drunk drivers is so importatnt to you ?
I am all for it if it even makes one person not go and kill another innocent person, due to them talking at a party, joking about making the dui list in the paper if they don't take a cab.
Do you feel like sex offenders and other serious offenders should be kept private as well ? "
jvctv wrote on Mar 6, 2009 9:58 PM:
Come on people....This is just something to give people a reason to become gossip lips... Bubba did you hear about DArlin? Ya better call Jack and Jackie to let them know!!!!
That's all this is. Don't get me wrong, I'm against drinking and driving, but I'm sure people all ready feel ashamed of them selfs. No reason to rub it in there face more. They will have this on there record for the next ten years along with paying for it for the next 10 years. This affects insurance for a while and costs a fortune when your all said and done. So lets beat them when there down. Hang them high!!!!! Throw stones at them!!!!Whip them good. Do you all feel better now. Good!!!! "
YOUNGNAP wrote on Mar 7, 2009 8:54 AM:
Dwayne wrote on Mar 7, 2009 9:39 AM:
We should all be more aware of our surroundings, and this list certainly helps... Same thing with the Crime Map the NVR publishes... "
grownhere wrote on Mar 7, 2009 10:42 PM:
YOUNGNAP and Dwayne, I completely agree that it makes more people aware of the problem. On another note, it shows that police are in force catching these irresponsibles and you better be safe and not drive intoxicated. Not everyone may think to not drive after drinking due to being published, but knowing all the checkpoints and convictions that take place may help them make a better decision in the end. "
steph wrote on Mar 8, 2009 11:10 PM:
Aside from not wanting to kill or seriously injure someone else as the result of driving while drunk, I do not want to face the shame of having a conviction made public.
Also, I could lose my job and the hope of being hired in another job like it if I were convicted of DUI.
Sometimes gossip has a purpose, and that is to define and reinforce what is socially unacceptable behavior. This list does the same thing. I'm all for it.
What a poor excuse, anyway, "Well, other people do bad things, so why should I face the consequences of MY bad choices?" Didn't your parents teach you early on that this argument doesn't fly? "
tsgets wrote on Mar 9, 2009 3:12 PM:
rickw wrote on Mar 9, 2009 5:16 PM:
reason-ator wrote on Mar 10, 2009 12:18 AM:
rickw wrote on Mar 12, 2009 8:31 AM:
reason-ator wrote on Mar 13, 2009 12:51 AM:
Makes sense to me. Yep. And I continue to boycott the realty companies that advertise here, and I firmly believe that that's why the housing market is in the toilet. Just because of me. Uh-huh.
Yep. The DUI list is so powerful it's ruined the housing market. The data proves it. The housing market was red-hot before the DUI list got started, and then look what happened.......
Snicker-snicker...... "
oldtownnapa wrote on Mar 15, 2009 12:13 PM:
tsgets- not that is any of your business (which is my point) but yes, I am on this list. I did not get a DUI- I plead to a lesser charge- I am on here anyway- my life is already HELL because of it: I was less than .01 over.
Fact: most people don't subjectively even know when they are over the limit- can be inadvertent- not trying to be criminals. And it's not so black and white- the machine varied in readings- gave me SIX tests all total- the officer refused FOUR TIMES to give me a blood test (my RIGHT) w/o giving any reason (left out of Report) and ONLY stopped me because of my headlight after I ran smack into a saturation patrol with about SIX units. He didn't care about the light- he was looking to score a DUI and it went from there to here... he first followed me to a gas station then waited for me to leave again (also omitted from Report). 2-3 glasses of wine + bad timing and you could be here too. There but for the grace of god go thy, so don't be so high & mighty... "
reason-ator wrote on Mar 16, 2009 12:39 AM:
Thanks for speaking up. You made the same point I have tried to make, and some people just don't get it- or don't want to. A red-light doesn't flash or an alarm doesn't sound when someone reaches the magic number of 0.08%, yet people act as if it does. Also, some people are quite functional at 0,08%, and others can barely talk.
But MADD has been very good at their campaign. So much so that a friend jokingly suggested he was going to start a competing group called DDAMM ( Drunk Drivers Against Mad Mothers ) at a party where we were ridiculing the NVR's voyeuristic list.
And while there is no obvious notice given when someone reaches 0.08%, many of the people who criticize people who are on this list or even those who are critical of the list ( such as that reason-ator guy ), these SAME PEOPLE will knowingly grab a cell phone and knowingly impair themselves as if they are better.
It's hypocritical.
I admire you for speaking up. And yet, some people just won't get it. They've made up their minds. What's even more amazing to me is that people openly admit they read all the names digging for dirt. I would be ashamed to admit it, but I guess some people have less pride than I do.
Good Luck to you. You have earned my respect with your candor. Sadly, I think your wisdom will be lost on most people, but thanks for trying. "
oldtownnapa wrote on Mar 18, 2009 11:05 PM:
Unlike a domestic battery case, a DUI conviction has no mens rea- it is a strict liability offense- where the court imputs intent- in a battery, theft, rape, assault-most crimes- one must prove intent as part of the case. There is no intent needed here for a DUI conviction. I think if you are going to do lists it shouldn't be based on a strict liability offense like this but on an intentional crime. The two are very dissimilar.
Dan Ross- Please tell me how many signatures I need to collect to stop this list? Do you need 500 or 800 or more? I will make a website and get everyone at DDP to sign it as well. Then I will walk the streets and get more- 1000? Give me a number. Also, I would like a reply to my first post please on any other papers on the nation that do this for DUI convictions OR charges? "
checkyourself wrote on Mar 21, 2009 8:14 AM:
SERIOUSLY wrote on Mar 22, 2009 2:43 PM:
Here are a few examples of the many other places that publish local DUI arrests and convictions:
The Washington Olympain publishes DUIs, as does the Redding paper, and the Fairbanks, Alaska newspaper. Connecticut publishes all convictions since 2000 on their state web site. Similarly Nassau County (Long Island), NY does the same thing - with your name and photograph. In Georgia for your second DUI you get your photograph in the local newspaper at your expense, and that's state law. A similar bill was introduced in AZ in 2003.
My point is, if you have been arrested for DUI/DWI, it's not fun but accept responsibility for your actions. It isn't the Register's fault that people get arrested and become a part of public record.
I think Steph said it best -"Sometimes gossip has a purpose, and that is to define and reinforce what is socially unacceptable behavior. This list does the same thing. I'm all for it."
Me too. "
opiniagirl wrote on Mar 29, 2009 10:14 AM:
You Say "I've already begun boycotting their advertisers"
Since you clearly continue to read the paper online, you SUPPORT the paper. Also, how do you know who the advertisers are unless you READ THE PAPER...and why would you boycott them??? I don't understand your logic???
You also say "It's hypocritical" that people who speak on their cell phones while driving criticizing drunk drivers...
Well would only be hypocritical if a person were to say drunk driving is ok for me but not others. For example; If I were a burglar and I spoke badly of murderers, that would not make me a hypocrite..it would just make me a burglar who thinks badly of murderers.
This list is fine...common sense says..don't take the chance after even 1 glass of wine. Drink...DON’T DRIVE or suffer all of the consequences for your gamble.
If I WERE on this list due to a moment of sheer stupidity, I would be thanking my lucky stars I was in this section and not the obituaries; or the front page news being arrested after an accident!
Criminal activity is and should always be public information..if you don't like it, don't be a criminal. "
reason-ator wrote on Mar 30, 2009 2:57 AM:
I'm supporting the paper by cancelling my subscription and reading it online for free.
I guess some people missed my humour when I said I was boycotting the advertisers, because I'm DEFINITELY not going to buy a million dollar house or a used car.
Just because of this tabloidish list. Otherwise, I'd buy a few houses and pre-wrecked cars.
When I see the list published every day of everyone who got popped for talking on a cell phone while drivng, then things won't be hypocritical. But that won't happen, will it ? Why ?
Remember, distracted driving is the NUMBER ONE reason for traffic accidents. Yet there are people who do that all the time, while gossiping about their neighbors dirty laundry.
How admireable is that? Is that hypocritical ?
Nah, it's not. Because everybody does it. What a bunch of "phonies".
Pun intended. "
seriously wrote on Mar 30, 2009 4:03 PM:
opiniagirl wrote on Mar 30, 2009 6:00 PM:
People on cell phones are breaking the law and it would be just as interesting to see a list of these violators monthly in addition to the DUI list.
But then; under your deffinition; anyone reading would be a hypocrite unless they had a perfect spotless life! In order to argue the symantics of "hypocrite" we would have to agree that it means the same thing...which we clearly do not. Although webster and I do agree... "
reason-ator wrote on Mar 31, 2009 12:20 AM:
I don't know why I brought that up. I think about that sometimes when I read the comments here. I don't know why.
Maybe we should print a list of all the occupants on Death Row, every day. I mean, those guys have actually killed people, and if they had thought about a few dozen people reading a list with their name on it beforehand, they WOULDN'T have killed anybody.
Really, I believe that.
Oh, wait. Tomorrow's April Fools Day, not today. "
opiniagirl wrote on Mar 31, 2009 9:41 AM:
Thanks for your continued support of the Napa Register...
So this is what people do when they don't have more anything to say... "
reason-ator wrote on Mar 31, 2009 10:43 AM:
You are welcome. Add a web-hit for the Napa Register. Now they'll get even MORE advertisers. Especially from that store that sells Flying Pigs !
Now, get back to work and quit supporting the Napa Register when you should be working...... "
reason-ator wrote on Mar 31, 2009 11:53 AM:
I just wanted to remind those people that are cleverly trying to get me to quit voicing my opinian that it is really working. I guess I need to post more just so they know how successful they are......
I'm sure that the NVR appreciates my support also....... "
NVR-Dan Ross wrote on Mar 31, 2009 12:30 PM:
We appreciate those who read us because they love us and also those who read us because they hate us, just like those who watch Keith Olbermann or listen to Rush Limbaugh because they are loved/hated. "
opiniagirl wrote on Mar 31, 2009 12:49 PM:
On a side note, I would NEVER want you to stop voicing your opinion, I' sure there are some things we will agree on at some point, lol!
The register is just a big fluffy ball of adoration when it comes all of its readers, right Dan? I support the paper, it's advertising, the businesses it advertises and the bloggers on this post! I love you man!!!! "
NVR-Dan Ross wrote on Mar 31, 2009 12:59 PM:
If each of our print and online readers averaged spending just $3 a day in Napa County, our readers would generate more than $71 million yearly for the local economy.
Not a bad message to send to the community ... "
reason-ator wrote on Mar 31, 2009 4:58 PM:
reason-ator wrote on Apr 1, 2009 5:38 PM:
Really, I do. "
reason-ator wrote on Apr 1, 2009 5:38 PM: