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krashdiggity wrote on Jun 1, 2009 1:14 PM:
walktothepark wrote on Jun 1, 2009 6:03 PM:
Dirty Napkin wrote on Jun 1, 2009 7:00 PM:
common sense wrote on Jun 1, 2009 7:23 PM:
reason-ator wrote on Jun 1, 2009 8:40 PM:
The suspense was killing me....... "
jmo wrote on Jun 1, 2009 9:51 PM:
I turned blue...it is my favorite color... "
mofosheee wrote on Jun 1, 2009 10:05 PM:
It will also keep various ambulance chaser attornies ( you know who you are ) from becoming bankrupt!
Good luck boys! "
walktothepark wrote on Jun 1, 2009 11:31 PM:
Mr. Feasor wrote on Jun 2, 2009 12:51 AM:
Dirty Napkin wrote on Jun 2, 2009 6:36 AM:
Hummmm "
Paddy wrote on Jun 2, 2009 9:18 AM:
deb sly wrote on Jun 2, 2009 10:26 AM:
reason-ator wrote on Jun 2, 2009 11:29 AM:
alucawanza wrote on Jun 2, 2009 2:01 PM:
OSCARNAVARRO88 wrote on Jun 3, 2009 2:36 PM:
tomhansen wrote on Jun 7, 2009 10:56 AM:
I do feel sorry for someone with a not too uncommon name to be mistaken for another. "
reason-ator wrote on Jun 7, 2009 11:28 AM:
Innocent people getting hurt is what's going to happen, since the NVR continues to post this useless list.
DUIs are NOT going down. This list is NOT preventing people from driving impaired. And yet, the NVR coninues to do this.
If the list is NOT working, why is the NVR continuing to do this ?
Sooner or later, this list is going to cost the NVR. I know it already has, because I won't renew my subscription because of it. The same lawyers who have told the NVR it is safe to do this are probably the same lawyers who are going to profit when someone sues the NVR.
I wonder if that will get reported in the paper. "
asahigo wrote on Jun 7, 2009 7:33 PM:
So what would the grounds of a lawsuit be? "
reason-ator wrote on Jun 8, 2009 1:17 AM:
What I was referring to is the request for more published info on the DUI convictees. Printing someone's mother's maiden name, their birthdate, etc. just to clarify which John Doe it was that got convicted ( versus the John Doe it wasn't ) is just giving people who look for identities to hack more info. Might as well give them the SSN#.
I am firmly convinced that I lost out on a local job opportunity because someone with the same name as mine showed up on this list while I was in the job selection process. Yes the employers should have checked. Yes, they should have asked me. No, they didn't. And they didn't want to give me ANY reason why they suddenly lost interest because that would just be asking for trouble.
Not to mention the family that apparently lost their husband and father ( according to someone who posted the story here ) about a guy who actually DID get his name published on this list and killed himself because it added to the problems he was already burdened with.
This list harms innocent people and doesn't curtail drunk drivers.
If someone is too drunk to drive and too drunk to think about the thousands of dollars it would cost them, while also ignoring the fact that they could injure or kill themselves or others, they SURE aren't going to think about getting their name published in a small town newspaper where a few hundred people might see it.
Sorry. This feature is laughable. Except to the innocent people who are harmed by it. It's like a high school newspaper. "
funnyme wrote on Jun 8, 2009 9:16 AM:
Additional info to be more specific as to the criminal's TRUE identity is no more than the info you have printed in your business cards or personal checks. "
reason-ator wrote on Jun 8, 2009 12:15 PM:
I imagine you do, also.
Since you seem to have no problem with the NVR publishing personal info like that, why don't you show your support by posting all of your personal info ?
C'mon, give it up, funnyme ?
I'm going to go over to the Washington Post and the New York Times and see if real newspapers have a list like this. When I come back, will I see your name, address, phone number, full name, and bank account numbers here ? Or should that info remain private. ?
And if you want to keep our streets safer, where's the list of people who have been ticketed for cell-phone violations ? Or is that different ?
This list is kinda funny in a way. It's not just the people ON the list that should be embarrassed. In fact, the NVR won't post most of my posts on this subject, and that speaks volumes to me. "
eyeamme wrote on Jun 8, 2009 12:18 PM:
Convictions/pleas: 99"
and yet there are 98 names on the list? Who was the 99th? I'd like to know!
I also think adding at least the person's age would be helpful. I think their mother's maiden name is a little much. but age is definitely a good idea. "
MarshaMarsha wrote on Jun 8, 2009 12:43 PM:
She can turn this into a positive experience, call it "work related research" and make the best of it.
You know, I wonder if she can write an in-depth human interest story about her experience and make all the fines and fees a tax write-off. "
wowquebonita wrote on Jun 8, 2009 3:01 PM:
Mr. Feasor wrote on Jun 9, 2009 6:58 PM:
Ms. Dorgan's thoughts on the shoe being on the other foot (i.e. media implication before legal judgment) is definitely a human interest story.
And it is very newsworthy for those who have read her articles year after year. "
yoyo wrote on Jun 10, 2009 10:27 AM:
I think it is very interesting that you claim you don't support the NVR, yet it appears you spend a great amount of time commenting on many articles. Do you not understand that commenting encourages others to comment (like i am now) and encourgages others to stay on the NVR website longer, therefore giving "support". Your non-supportive role, seems....well, quite supportive to me. "
reason-ator wrote on Jun 10, 2009 2:19 PM:
I actually kinda feel sorry for the NVR, because it's apparant that they are woefully understaffed. I really would like them to do a better job. And I would prefer that they lose some of the features that make them seem like a small-town journal, unless they could do it with a different style.
As far as supporting them, I cancelled my subscription, and I tend to stay away from the things they try to sell, such as downtown, The Wineries, etc. And I tend to avoid the ads, so I may support some of their sponsors without knowing it. But I definitely won't contribute to the NVR until they become more professional. And, of course, this wonderful small-town-gossip hypocritical feature known as the DUI Report. Unless they were to augment it with a listing of other dangerous driving conviction such as cell-phone violators ( such as the kid in the pretty little Lexus who drifted out of his lane dangerously close to me in my lane while he was yacking away on his precious cell-phone that kept him from being able to drive- and of course it is also AGAINST THE LAW ).
As far as Ms. Dorgan, I wish her nothing but the best. I haven't actually seen an article by her lately, and I would hope that the NVR didn't send her packing. Everybody makes mistakes, and there is no indicator that lets people know that they are suddenly over the legal limit. But there is no gray zone when it comes to cell phones. Anybody doing that is without a doubt intentionally breaking the law and endangering us, but it's not one of the NVR's personal vendettas. What's the difference ? "
reason-ator wrote on Jun 13, 2009 12:39 AM:
I haven't seen any articles from her, and my curiousity is rising. "
Rocketman wrote on Jun 13, 2009 1:41 PM:
Mr. Feasor wrote on Jun 13, 2009 2:45 PM:
reason-ator wrote on Jun 14, 2009 12:49 AM:
I suppose that the loss of a reporter's driver's license would make it possible that the employee would not be able to as effectively perform their job.
And yet, seeing how the NVR has taken the position that they have with this petty DUI list, it may mean that the NVR has decided to be principled, and as a matter of principle must terminate any employee who had made the mistake of getting a DUI.
So I thought about this. Now, I won't be buying an NVR publication any time soon, but if the NVR has principles, I doubt they will be promoting or enabling alcohol use and will refuse any ad revenue from stores or wineries that wish to advertise sales of alcohol products.
And then I started to wonder. More.
Driving while distracted is the Number One cause of accidents, and yet the NVR doesn't seem to be as concerned with cell-phone violations as they are with DUIs.
And then I started to wonder, don't they get a lot of ad revenue from cell-phone stores and companies ? Is it possible they don't want to risk that revenue by taking a stance against the Number One cause of traffic accidents ?
Am I thinking too much about this ? What kind of statement does the NVR want to make ?
I guess we'll see. Or then again, maybe not, since the NVR quite often won't print my comments when I question their motives ( and, to their credit, also print some that that surprize me ).
Will someone let me know if they still take advertising revenue from cell-phone merchandisers ?
Yes, I know I'm cynical...... "
napkan wrote on Jun 15, 2009 12:16 PM:
I highly doubt everyone goes to the Register to read the names before they cull through Resumes... "
reason-ator wrote on Jun 15, 2009 1:07 PM:
The employer in question has an employment process that involves several steps ( I can't tell you how I know this without giving away too much information I'm not sure I have clearance to divulge ). The background investigation you are talking about is costly, and is done as one of the last steps in the process.
The person with my name that got the DUI has given MY phone number to people he has rear-ended in a traffic collision. We get calls from his creditors all the time, and his mortgage company has given away some of his personal info when they called threatening us with foreclosure before I could convince them that he and I were two different people. So there's no way I'm going to be convinced you are right, and there's no way the employer has to admit that this is why my name was pulled out of the hat.
Look at how many names are on this list. This NVR feature is not cutting down on drunk drivers. It didn't stop you from getting hit. All you appear to want is some extra 'tar-and-feather' type of embarrassment humiliation because you feel victimized.
I'm sorry, but it makes me uncomfortable just thinking about the type of people who enjoy pointing their fingers and shaming people, as if they feel the need to be superior.
We shouyd have outgrown that type of behavior in our teen years. "
samaker wrote on Jun 15, 2009 2:13 PM:
Sounds like you must have had your name on that list yourself, I don't why else someone would be so outspoken about listing the names of d.u.i offenders in the paper. I've been on that list myself. It can act as an effective deterent in the sense that it further punishes drunk drivers by embarassing them in the newspaper. Considering that you found the time to comment on this article several times, I would say that your daily read of the Register is pretty important to you. Did you really cancel your subscription to the paper because of your outrage over them printing the names of d.u.i. offenders? Or did you cancel it because you read it online? If you don't want your name printed in the d.u.i. section, then don't drive drunk. "
jmo wrote on Jun 15, 2009 2:39 PM:
NVR-Dan Ross wrote on Jun 15, 2009 2:47 PM:
http://www.napavalleyregister.com/articles/2009/06/13/opinion/letters_to_the_editor/doc4a330ec74d9f9017797721.txt "
reason-ator wrote on Jun 16, 2009 12:48 AM:
The reason I cancelled my subscription wasn't JUST because of the DUI list. But I would still be a subscriber if it wasn't for the DUI list. And I would have re-subscribed when the telemarketer called if it wasn't for the DUI list. ( and aren't telemarketers illegal now ? )
There are several things about this list that bug me.
1.) People think that a drunk will ignore the fact that they could kill or maim themselves or others, will ignore the fact that a DUI could cost tens of thousands of dollars, and yet, in the middle of a drunken stupor will stop and think about the DUI list and THEN not drive.
2.) The DUI list does NOT curtail DUIs.
3.) People find enjoyment in reading about other people getting on this list, and yet don't have the guts to ask people if it was them.
4.) Innocent people have been hurt by this list, and it does NO good.
5.) If the NVR was actually interested in making the roads safer, they would ALSO print a list of cell-phone violators ( cops have said distracted driving is the Number One cause of traffic accidents ) , but they don't. That shows me that this list isn't about making roads safer at all, but is about something else instead. And yet people defend this feature, which causes me to think about snoopy gossipers.
And yet, the NVR chooses to print a monthly summary EVERY day for a whole month. The more I watch this, the more ridiculous it and its fans seem to me.
I could go an-and-on-and-on. Can you tell ? "
reason-ator wrote on Jun 16, 2009 1:10 AM:
It IS a very good read. I know that the NVR can't go into detail about personnel issues, but it's a shame the NVR chose to terminate her employment. I was very impressed by her letter to the editor.
It's actually very ironic that the NVR can't talk about why Ms. Dorgan was let go because of privacy issues, but doesn't seem to have any problem with trying to ruin other people's lives ( innocent or not ) with this tabloid-ish "feature".
And yet, DUIs are NOT decreasing because of this list, and I'm apparently the only person who as an issue with the absurdity of it all.
I sure wish I knew what REALLY motivates the NVR to do this. It obviously ISN'T about making the roads safer, or else they'd be printing the names of everybody who got a cell-phone ticket while endangering others while driving their car. It HAS to be about something else.
If more people spoke out about how ridiculous this is, I wouldn't have to do it. "
sprklsunshine wrote on Jun 16, 2009 10:04 AM:
jmo wrote on Jun 16, 2009 11:13 AM:
sprklsunshine wrote on Jun 16, 2009 11:38 AM:
Dark_Cloud wrote on Jun 18, 2009 3:06 PM:
Duracel87 wrote on Jun 19, 2009 1:15 AM:
winewoman wrote on Jun 20, 2009 10:43 AM:
rudepeopleofnapa wrote on Jun 22, 2009 9:56 AM:
old_napan52 wrote on Jun 23, 2009 9:41 AM:
Sickothis wrote on Jun 25, 2009 10:51 AM:
oldtownnapa wrote on Jul 2, 2009 9:24 PM:
reason-ator wrote on Jul 3, 2009 1:40 AM:
samaker wrote on Jul 3, 2009 4:49 AM:
i don't think it would be a bad idea to print an age, or some other identifying fact, along with the name of d.u.i. offenders. it seems like every month, there is no less than one juan gonzalez, so it would be nice to be able to decpher between the 2,000 or so j.g.'s in this town. however, i think that publishing the names is a good idea. a lot of drunk drivers are repeat offenders. if the couple days in the iron-bar-inn can't stop people from driving drunk repeatedly, then maybe a public embarassment will. though, i do find it hard to believe that you canceled your subscription to NVR because a drunk had the same name as you. besides your dozen or so comments on this article, you seem to be a quite common opinion giver in these forums. the world wide web really is amazing. people can cancel a subscription to a periodical they obviously cannot live without, but somehow, they just can't seem to stop reading it. "