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opinionator wrote on Jun 16, 2009 5:31 PM:
No rumble strips? No cement barriers? No lowered speed limits? No full-time City of Napa police officer or CHP officer dedicated to the intersection of Hwy. 29 and Trower to make sure nothing of this kind ever happens again?
There was a minor injury after all!!! Where is you peoples' sense of responsibility for idiot-proofing our all too dangerous world?
Oh. I see. DUI equals road not at fault. Well, then we better ban alcohol, folks !!! Get with the program!
Or is it because it's Hwy. 29 and not the deadly Silverado Trail? It was a straight stretch of road, after all.
Consistency people! Consistency! "
imjustsayin wrote on Jun 17, 2009 7:26 AM:
melimop wrote on Jun 17, 2009 9:24 AM:
vinovalleygirl wrote on Jun 17, 2009 9:29 AM:
DL wrote on Jun 17, 2009 10:41 AM:
justhefacts wrote on Jun 17, 2009 3:40 PM:
opinionator wrote on Jun 17, 2009 5:35 PM:
Rumble strips help people who may be tired and falling asleep at the wheel, or simply just not paying attention to driving. They shouldn't be driving in the first place. So let's boost their overconfidence and install rumble strips everywhere so the idiots think: "It's okay if I'm a little tired. If I fall asleep, those rumble strips will wake me up before I kill the innocent family heading towards me in the opposite direction on their way to church."
Do you think rumble strips or lower speed limits are going to make a bit of difference when someone has a 1.2 BAC, and are so wasted when they feel the rumble they will probably enjoy it?
Do you think rumble strips and lower speed limits will help prevent the impatient driver who's been held up by a slow tourist or citizen road cop for the past 15 minutes (who refuses to pull over and let the 15 to 20 cars behind them pass in safety) from passing on a double yellow or when otherwise unsafe?
Do you think rumble strips or lower speed limits will prevent the testosterone bound adolescent from maintaining a "cool" image and driving beyond his/her capabilities to impress friends, and end up misjudging a curve in the road?
I don't think so. Hold people accountable for their driving. "
entity wrote on Jun 17, 2009 7:19 PM:
So driving on the Trail is getting people killed. It's nice to scream about "responsibility" and all, but the fact of the matter is that people are *dying*, despite all the rhetoric that's thrown around on the comment board.
If telling people "just be responsible" fixed everything, we wouldn't need traffic lights, stop signs, police, or laws at all - but here we are. Fact of the matter is, you can't force anyone to be "responsible"(nor should you) - all you can do is educate, then account for human error and and try to correct for it with external measures as best you can. Without the rhetoric.
If it's possible to use traffic control devices, make alternate routes, change enforcement, or similar - I'm all about it. Asking people nicely (or screaming rudely, apparently) clearly isn't doing the job.
My suggestion? Consider closing the ST to all but commercial and bus traffic; then build bus stops, park n' rides, and capsule hotels at the ends.
I'm glad nobody was seriously hurt in this latest crash. "
ctworker wrote on Jun 17, 2009 8:43 PM:
Mr. Feasor wrote on Jun 17, 2009 9:20 PM:
And the fact that there were no major injuries does nothing to reduce the thrust of his/her very good argument. If a car blew through that intersection at 55+ and broadsided a car, there would be serious injury or death.
Again: well stated, opinionator. Drivers need to be aware of their limitations and drive within those limitations. So long as the roads comply with the standards established by the Dept. of Transportation et al., don't blame the road for your errors (regardless of whether you were on the cell phone, drunk, distracted, etc.). "
entity wrote on Jun 18, 2009 5:02 PM:
You can say "it's people that are the problem" all you like - that's not a solution. How do you propose to "fix" people in such a way that reduces the inordinate number of accidents on ST?
"Drivers need to be aware of their limitations" - sure, they do. It would be nice if everyone was perfect like that, but that's not reality. You can say "responsibility" and "awareness" blue in the face, but how are you going to promote that? I have yet to see any suggestions from the "opinionated" folks here. Until I do, they're just blowing smoke.
The idea is that if the number of accidents can be reduced down to what is just human error (which can never be fully removed) we have done a good job of making the roads safer. If there were fewer traffic controls at Trower and 29, I can guarantee that there would be more wrecks there. *That's why traffic controls were put there in the first place.*
I'd like to see fewer accidents on the Trail, and I'd like to see if the route or conditions thereupon can be altered to make it safer for everyone to travel. "
notalwaysright wrote on Jun 18, 2009 9:03 PM:
c1067 wrote on Jun 19, 2009 11:18 AM:
This paper isn't big enough. "
Piquemyinterest wrote on Oct 23, 2009 7:46 PM: