Yountville 300-year-old oak tree to be saved
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A sign warns passersby of the danger of falling limbs from this 300-year-old Yountville tree. By a 3-2 vote, the Town Council will allow it to stand despite concerns about tree health, the safety of nearby buildings and people and the liability that Yountville might face if a branch falls. J.L. Sousa/Register |
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A path leading to a 300-year-old heritage tree in Yountville has been closed amid fears of falling branches damaging nearby buildings and for public safety. By a 3-2 vote, the Town Council allowed the tree to stand. |
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Council votes 3-2 to preserve, trim tree
By BILL KISLIUK
Register Editor
November 10th, 2009
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MapA 300-year-old valley oak has conquered younger adversaries in a political scuffle in Yountville, as the Yountville Town Council voted 3-2 Tuesday night to let the fragile old tree stand despite concerns about safety and legal liability.
The tree’s fate has been the subject of debate in Yountville for eight months. Some neighbors and town officials contend the tree’s fading health poses risks to nearby residences and passers-by on a walking trail. Others say the majestic oak, perhaps the oldest of its kind in the valley and home to bee hives and owls, should be preserved.
Tuesday’s vote was a “stay of execution,” according to tree advocate and town resident Alan Tenscher. While the tree will stand, the town will prune limbs, regularly monitor the tree’s health and create fences and signs to block pedestrians, including students at the adjacent Yountville Elementary School, from walking under the tree.
The tree sits on the western edge of Hopper Creek, which was named for Gold Rush-era pioneer Charles Hopper. Hopper arrived in the Napa Valley in the 1840s, 130 years or so after the tree began to grow.
Councilmembers John Dunbar, Marjorie Mohler and Lewis Chilton voted to preserve the tree, while Mayor Cynthia Saucerman and Councilman Bill Dutton preferred removing it. The majority decision adopted the recommendation of town staff and an ad hoc tree committee that included residents, councilmembers and arborist Bill Pramuk.
Pramuk said he will trim the tree to reduce the “weight and windsail” of limbs that might snap off in a storm or become too heavy. “We’ll be pruning to reduce the length of the outer limbs and tops, trying to not disfigure the tree. At this stage, there’s no plan to disrupt any bee hives or anything terribly significant; just the larger, outer branches that are four-to-six inches in diameter, possibly a couple of larger branches,” he said.
Pramuk allowed that the “tree could fail in a strange or unexpected way,” but said he felt confident that the policy the town adopted addresses property damage concerns.
Chilton, seen as the swing vote going into Tuesday’s meeting, said the safety of school children and others has been the top concern. “The deciding factor was, ‘Can we come up with a solution that saves the tree and answers safety concerns?’ The answer was ‘yes.’”
Chilton said the town must do more to convince people to keep off the path and out of harm’s way. “We need additional fencing right behind the elementary school to make it more difficult to go through that area,” he said.
Mayor Saucerman said she appreciated all the work that the ad hoc committee and staff put into the solution, but said she believes the tree should be removed. “This guy could do some serious damage if it fell,” she said.
Saucerman noted that some $5 million in claims have been filed against Sonoma County after a tree along Bennett Valley Road in Glen Ellen fell earlier this year and killed a 5-year-old boy. The family of the boy says the county did too little to monitor the health of nearby trees. “In my opinion, the town shouldn’t assume that risk,” Saucerman said.
She also said it will be hard to keep people from walking up the dry bed of Hopper Creek or otherwise approaching the tree. “Kids are going to go in no matter what you do, that’s what kids do.”
Tenscher said he hopes that through educational signs and the fact that the town is saving such a special specimen the tree will be seen more as an asset than a liability. If Yountville is going to enjoy a reputation as a “green town” with the environmentally-friendly features of the new Bardessono Inn and French Laundry Chef Thomas Keller’s organic garden, he said it is important to “venerate and respect our native environment and our natural resources.”
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Joe wrote on Jul 22, 2009 2:20 PM:
JMB wrote on Jul 22, 2009 2:34 PM:
kg wrote on Jul 22, 2009 2:46 PM:
kg wrote on Jul 22, 2009 2:58 PM:
Napa_Citizen wrote on Jul 22, 2009 2:59 PM:
If its not sick, rotten, or dead let it L I V E "
Joe wrote on Jul 22, 2009 3:04 PM:
the fact that it is 300 years old makes it a hazard. Many trees rot from the inside then fall. There are many other oak trees out there to appreciate for their beauty. I would think people would care more if it was a younger tree that was being cut down. This tree will fall sometime soon even if it is wathed after, so why not just cut it down now and not spend money trying to prevent something that will eventually happen anyway? "
5th generation napan wrote on Jul 22, 2009 3:38 PM:
Longs property manager cut down a 300 yo oak on Soscal Ave. with a hole in it. The arborist said they usually do get these holes inside and its the structure of the shell thats important. He figured that tree could have lasted another 100 years. So sorry if i dont buy your blanket statement.
Destroying nature for mere "landscaping" is boggus. "
napaoldguy wrote on Jul 22, 2009 3:45 PM:
Joe wrote on Jul 22, 2009 4:38 PM:
antipc wrote on Jul 22, 2009 5:45 PM:
misfit wrote on Jul 22, 2009 6:55 PM:
Should we start offing our elderly too? "
Paddy wrote on Jul 22, 2009 7:44 PM:
reason-ator wrote on Jul 22, 2009 9:33 PM:
That's good.
So move the houses. It's done all the time. "
indycal300 wrote on Jul 22, 2009 10:01 PM:
suze wrote on Jul 22, 2009 10:20 PM:
Trees have to be maintained, particularly if they are very large.
Regular monitoring, pruning and some cabling will usually keep them as safe as anything is.
I'm very grateful for the attitudes that are keeping this old tree around for a bit longer. "
5th generation napan wrote on Jul 23, 2009 7:37 AM:
I didn't realize you guys were arborists or structrual engineers. Silly me.
Oh by the way Pipe is stronger than a solid rod, just for argument sake. I'm sure you dont care about the engineering. "
NapaNana wrote on Jul 23, 2009 7:45 AM:
Sure it is 300 years old. Misfit and suze.......will you be singing the same song not if but when it falls? And not if but when someone gets hurt?
Do you really think that some little kids skipping along to school......or playing around is really going to read that sign? And WHEN the tree cuts loose... what will ya all say then? That is is the kids fault for not reading the sign?
It is just like posting a beware of dog sign. You KNOW there is a possibility of danger. You may as well say...."We know someone is going to get hurt.....but we warned you so it is on you....not me". Simply unreal! "
LCC Yountville wrote on Jul 23, 2009 8:45 AM:
This tree is considered the oldest and most magnificent Valley Oak in our Napa Valley and has lived along Hopper Creek for 300 years. This tree is a living history that creates a connection to the many epochs through which it has flourished: the Native Americans- Pomo, Wappo and Caymus, the grizzly bear, cougar and elk, the early settlers, the Town's founding, and the more recent and much more private passages in the lives of those, young and old, living today.
This tree is a focal point to nature for us and an irreplaceable habitat for many wild creatures. A vital ecosystem is sustained in its' roots, branches, trunk, acorns, and shade. It provides shelter and sustenance for raptors, owls, heron, songbirds, squirrels and honeybees. It stabilizes the river bank from erosion and shades the creek for fish, tadpoles, crayfish and salamanders, protecting the riparian environment and seasonal aquatic life.
Environmental scientist for the Department of Fish and Game quoted: ‘In all honesty, 1000 little trees would not adequately mitigate for the loss of a tree of that age and stature and I strongly encourage you to take a close look at all other alternatives’
to removal.
For these various reasons, our community has made every effort to protect this tree, so that it may continue to stand among us. "
5th generation napan wrote on Jul 23, 2009 8:45 AM:
Bottom line, what ever happened to educating our kids about natural beauty and concerns and danger?
How did the farm kids of the past survive? It was eveyday life to enjoy but be aware!
People get hurt everyday by everthing. Does that mean we need to destroy all trees of certain species, over a certain age, over a certain height, then we move to the other dangers animals, vehicles, then people.
Its much easier for us to teach our kids how to beaware and handle sitiuations they might encounter in life, and learn to enjoy the beauty nature can offer.
We're fools to think we can child proof the world, but were also irresponsible to forget we need to teach our children to be aware, responsible, and self reliant. They are not in our sight all the time and should learn the skills to survive. Nature is beautiful, but its all around us and its not safe under those certain cercumstances anywhere.
Thats why we have experts in different fields to help us decide. "
heavyg wrote on Jul 23, 2009 8:46 AM:
reneefannin wrote on Jul 23, 2009 8:48 AM:
Paddy wrote on Jul 23, 2009 9:03 AM:
If you're so afraid of life it's unclear to me how you live at all. It's sickening how humanity has taken upon itself to pass judgement on nature and out of fear destroys anything that might cause any kind of harm regardless of it's true value.
The benefits that this tree has bestowed upon God's creatures, including humanity, is immeasurable over it's 300 year life time. Treat it with the respect it deserves.
If you're afraid of it, stay away from it. Don't presume you speak for anyone, or anything, else.
Nice job Yountville Town Council. You did the Godly thing. "
xgrapecrusher wrote on Jul 23, 2009 12:17 PM:
Have you ever been to the redwoods in northern Cal? Some of those trees are more than 2,000 years old. Most of them are hollow. If you're afraid of the old oak don't go near it. "
lupmart wrote on Jul 23, 2009 12:33 PM:
However, a lot of people seem to not even read the basics of this article. Sounds to me like they've saved a tree but have done so by keeping people far away from it. How can something be the focal point of town if everyone is kept so far away because its dangerous?
Hopefully they have kept people far away, because as its been pointed out its pretty close to the elementary school. "
Joe wrote on Jul 23, 2009 1:04 PM:
Joe wrote on Jul 23, 2009 1:38 PM:
Dirty Napkin wrote on Jul 23, 2009 2:04 PM:
Napa did nothing about the poor lady with the mini van a few years ago, when a huge branch fell on her ride...
The were like "um sorry"... Nice attitude.. "
xgrapecrusher wrote on Jul 23, 2009 3:14 PM:
I get that you hate trees. Why would you go to the redwoods If you hate trees so much? Hmmmm? "
5th generation napan wrote on Jul 23, 2009 3:22 PM:
Joe wrote on Jul 23, 2009 4:20 PM:
milkman wrote on Jul 23, 2009 6:27 PM:
antipc wrote on Jul 23, 2009 7:01 PM:
This exact same scenario played out up valley in the early 80's. A young man was partially paralyzed for life & the county lost the lawsuit. However all this could have been avoided except for a small group of selfish ideologues that had to be able to enjoy a single dying tree. The millions of others in the valley just wouldn't due.
Or maybe we should apply the same logic to drunk drivers.... we know it's a risk but one we're willing to take as long as someone else pays for it. Spend a little time in a spinal trauma unit, you'll leave with a different perspective, I can assure you. "
barefoot wrote on Jul 23, 2009 8:44 PM:
suze wrote on Jul 23, 2009 8:49 PM:
When I was a kid we ran with scissors, rode our bikes and ponies with no helmets, climbed to the top of big trees and roller skated without protection anywhere. Many of us are still alive to tell the tale.
If you are worried a tree will fall on you, then maybe you had just better stay home all day - just in case.
ps - LLC Yountville, I really enjoyed your post, thank you. "
Paddy wrote on Jul 23, 2009 10:37 PM:
Whether a tree falls on you, a shark attacks you, you crash your car, an airplane falls out of the sky, a lion attacks you in a zoo, you fall down the stairs and break your neck, it doesn't matter what power you think you have over the inevitable. Stop running scared and believing that by removing every tree, shark, plane, train, bus and car it will save you. It won't.
Wo walk under the trees without fear, swim in the oceans without fear, live life without fear. Get over yourselves. "
Joe wrote on Jul 23, 2009 11:09 PM:
Many people aren't scared of certain things they are just being cautious because you only have one life to live. Once you die you most likely just don't exist anymore, and that's it. No afterlife, nothing better afterward or worse. People are killed by trees that have fallen on them. I know someone who died by a tree falling naturally on them. So when someone knows a tree is in danger of falling it should be removed just like you would remove a rattlesnake from inside your home if there was one. I believe religeous people take for granted how great life hear on Earth is by believing that something better is afterwards. To someone who believes in an afterlife they might not care if they are killed by this tree because they think something good will come from it. I just hope it doesn't end up killing someone some day. "
antipc wrote on Jul 24, 2009 7:17 AM:
reneefannin wrote on Jul 24, 2009 9:39 AM:
Paddy wrote on Jul 24, 2009 10:00 AM:
antipc wrote on Jul 24, 2009 7:07 PM:
I can't understand trying to humanize a tree.
Do you really believe the liability insurer is going to pay for damages, injuries, or death as a result of the inevitable? You & I both know the city will pay because it would have been avoidable. When the taxpayers see the bill for such a decision they will elect legislators that impound more of our freedoms. "
funnyme wrote on Jul 26, 2009 8:15 AM:
mtc wrote on Jul 26, 2009 12:34 PM: