Schwarzenegger finally proposes pension reform
By MICHAEL HALEY
October 28th, 2009
September 23rd, 2009
August 31st, 2009
August 20th, 2009
This week our Governor finally came out and proposed a state wide plan to reform pensions which have become economically unsustainable. This is the first real effort in over a year of a budget crisis that anyone in Sacramento has actually proposed something that will address the real problems.
Click here for the Sacramento Bee article.
All they have come up with is cutting schools, cutting human services, and stealing money back from counties and cities. Everyone knows that is not a real answer to California’s budget problems. The Democrats who control the state government are all already running for office again and do not want to do anything to upset their main supporters, the public employee unions, by dealing with the real issues that confront the California budget.
California already has some of the highest taxes in the nation, and there is no way they are going to be able to raise taxes enough to cover the large deficits that now stretch out into the horizon as far as we can see. The
Legislative Analyst's office says that even with the tax increase already passed we have at least a $22 billion deficit looming again next year.
The only thing is that is going to save California is permanent, structural reform. The key element of that reform is to face the fact that we are spending money that we do not have and may never have, and we have to stop.
Two of the key elements of overspending are pensions and salaries to government employees throughout the state. At this point,
articles and facts abound on this issue. Even the union controlled CalPers pension funds actuary said this week that the pensions were unsustainable, and that we were looking at safety pensions costing 40-50 percent of payroll, and miscellaneous (all other) employees at 25 percent.
That is just for pensions, and that is a huge number, a new cost on top of the already too high cost.
In Napa County, pensions are about 15 percent of our total payroll, safety is about 28 percent of payroll, miscellaneous 13.6 percent. In 2006, the latest date I have the actuarial report for, the total dollar amount was about $12 million, out of about an $80 million payroll.
The entire discretionary budget for the County is around $80-85 million annually, to give you some perspective on the numbers. It is a big percentage for one budget item, and it is going to go up a lot because of the market sell off, about 20 percent more, permanently.
Schwarzenegger’s plan is to create a two tiered pension system that will have all new employees on a defined contribution plan, a 401K type plan that is an individual account, rather than the current defined benefit plans that guarantee a certain dollar amount to the retiree.
The good thing about it is that he proposes it as a statewide plan, meaning it will also apply to local government employees as well as state employees.
The bad thing is that it won’t help anything for a long time. In fact, in the near term it will cost taxpayers even more. The Governor states that it will save $90 billion over 30 years, but most of that savings will come in the last few years of that 30 years. In the mean time, we will actually have to fund this new plan as well as the old plan.
It would be far better to retain the defined benefit plans, but simply cut the top amount that can be received by anyone to 70 percent of their highest salary for safety, 50 percent for the rest. That would still be considered a terrific retirement by most people, and it is. It would also immediately solve the portion of the budget crisis created by excessive pensions including the recent big losses in Cal Pers.
People will say you can’t do it because the unions already have this in their contracts, and you can’t take it away from them. They will sue. It is illegal.
Let them sue. General Motors unions had their contracts invalidated and took large cuts. People are taking cuts everywhere in violation of contracts, including Vallejo. Most people in private employment have just taken a 40-50 percent cut in their retirement funds.
Make it a constitutional amendment, put it on the ballot. Do whatever it takes, because unless we permanently roll back these excessive pensions, we will never get the structural reform we need to pull California out of its quagmire.
It is an ongoing budget emergency, we have gone way too far in spending and only major spending reforms like this are really going to solve the problem. The only question is how soon will we face up to them?
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kevin wrote on Aug 20, 2009 7:10 PM:
Keep me in the loop, Mike... "
Cadence wrote on Aug 21, 2009 8:27 AM:
I don't see how a county that prides itself on its understanding of "sustainable" cannot or chooses not to see that the current system is totally UNsustainable.
And how the same county that endlessly bemoans the plight of The Children is so very willing to pass these outrageous debts on to - yup, those very same Children.
What am I missing? "
post-it wrote on Aug 21, 2009 12:43 PM:
Raven wrote on Aug 21, 2009 6:33 PM:
kevin wrote on Aug 22, 2009 6:56 AM:
Haven't you figured it out?
It' all about SELF INTEREST.
Not greed. Not altruism.
Self interest is what makes capitalism work.
And it is what makes socialism fail.
People will do what is best for them and their families at EVERY opportunity.
When the high paying fabrication jobs started going overseas, I saw civil service pay going higher and made the decision to get onboard. I had no idea it would increase the way it has, but such is life.
Now the pendulum will swing the other way and maybe the private sector will become more attractive (as it should be).
If you think that makes me a hypocrite, so be it.
But it shows a lot more about you than it does me... "
a teacher wrote on Aug 22, 2009 9:03 AM:
Come on! Gimme a break! "
glenroy wrote on Aug 22, 2009 12:37 PM:
.. I was wondering with Obama's spending making Gray Davis look a miser.....if you had second thoughts on your Presidential endorsement? "
napablogger wrote on Aug 22, 2009 2:45 PM:
I used that editorial but the same info is all over the news in varying types of articles. Do a search yourself if you don't want to read it in an editorial and read it in a news piece then.
It's the same information. "
Bill wrote on Aug 22, 2009 3:50 PM:
Imagining that you should not negotiate with unions is a mistake even GM auto workers negotiated to imply differently is misleading. The final decisions were not as draconian as is suggested. Thinking that you can mandatorily impose restrictions without involvement is absurd.
How about government employees’ change to a 70% retirement system now across the board? No discrimination between public safety and others and include those current retirees. Do the actuaries on that. Could Kevin get behind that?
Change 30 years down the road is useless today. Few left the private sector because it was not in their self interest to do so. The private sector did not offer the opportunity that the public sector, for many professional and workers. Abandoning the perks of the public sector will not increase them in the private sector. Many in the public sector gave up the immediate gains of greater hourly rewards and the exposure to market volatility for lower starting wages but the promise of a greater rewards at the end of service, Kevin is a good example.
What’s an average public service employee annual income with say a Master’s degree or less? Teachers salaries are not so lucrative does 70% sound reasonable for a public school job instead of a career in insurance or marriage counseling?
Why should public safety be treated differently we only ask them to be brave everybody we ask to be intelligent?
Imagine the improvement to quality government service that will happen if you reduce not only the future expectations but the current ones? "
napablogger wrote on Aug 22, 2009 10:00 PM:
After all it is a job like any other.
I do think he needs to get it together on health care pretty quick and give us a plan that most people can support, however. "
Bill wrote on Aug 22, 2009 10:23 PM:
Imagining that you should not negotiate with unions is a mistake even GM auto workers negotiated to imply differently is misleading. The final decisions were not as draconian as is suggested. Thinking that you can mandatorily impose restrictions without involvement is absurd.
How about government employees’ change to a 70% retirement system now across the board? No discrimination between public safety and others and include those current retirees. Do the actuaries on that. Could Kevin get behind that?
Change 30 years down the road is useless today. Few left the private sector because it was not in their self interest to do so. The private sector did not offer the opportunity that the public sector, for many professional and workers. Abandoning the perks of the public sector will not increase them in the private sector. Many in the public sector gave up the immediate gains of greater hourly rewards and the exposure to market volatility for lower starting wages but the promise of a greater rewards at the end of service, Kevin is a good example.
What’s an average public service employee annual income with say a Master’s degree or less? Teachers salaries are not so lucrative does 70% sound reasonable for a public school job instead of a career in insurance or marriage counseling?
Why should public safety be treated differently we only ask them to be brave everybody else we ask to be intelligent?
Imagine the improvement to quality government service that will happen if you reduce not only the future expectations but the current ones? "
a teacher wrote on Aug 23, 2009 9:09 AM:
AND, you skated over my critique of your source. It was an unattributed quote of a nameless person by a nameless source. It was not corroborated and no context was provided. I'd give it the same weight I'd give my students when they tell me why they didn't get their HW done. "
napablogger wrote on Aug 23, 2009 10:13 AM:
If we treated safety the same as everyone else that would be a revolution bigger than the one I am describing, they get all kinds of perks because their jobs are deemed dangerous. I am not so sure statistically that holds up all that well, but...
I would be happy to take my position as the beginning of a negotiation, but the voters could install mandatory limits through a ballot initiative.
We have to do something because the current system is unsustainable. "
Madison Jay Hamilton wrote on Aug 23, 2009 11:04 AM:
Hopefully, organized public employees will insist that their contracts be honored by those in charge of all three branches of government. As Jack London once wrote, "A promise made is a debt unpaid." Californians ought to live up to their agreements with public employees. "
kevin wrote on Aug 23, 2009 5:54 PM:
Bill is right, 70% is a fair number. And even retirement at 3% per year for emergency departments "only" comes to 90% retirement. So how do they get those retirements to 100% or even higher?
They include overtime in the calculations.
I don't get my overtime included, so maybe it's partly "sour grapes" on my part, but the people that do, "game" the system by working long hours of overtime in the last couple years before retiring, which vastly inflates the base salary number that their retirement is calculated from. They also add in bonuses and other pay incentives.
Eliminate overtime and bonuses from the calculations and maybe you would see a decrease in the financial hemoraging... "
Madison Jay Hamilton wrote on Aug 23, 2009 7:52 PM:
tripnote wrote on Aug 24, 2009 1:10 PM:
Madison, you and other tax and spendies won't solve our budget with Prop 13 and corporations will just pass the tax onto all consumers if you got your way.
What you have now is the backlash at the liberal policies that have bankrupted our state, and they won't go down without a fight to try and raise taxes, and raises more taxes. "
Bill wrote on Aug 24, 2009 1:19 PM:
Is it self interst when somone takes the job knowing if he or she does certian things they will benefit and negotiate for it or is it "Gaming"?
The rules were apparent ot both sides.
Ok lets change the rules, especially for those who will not have the opportunity to change jobs or occupations because they are all ready7 to retire or with in a few yerars of retirement.
It's only fair to the taxpayers right? There are plenty of jobs as greeters at Wal-Mart to make up the difference but you all better get there before the rest of us in private industry that took the hit of market volatility in our precious private sector 401kS.
FDR once said something about Self interest I think I read it in Krugman" column this morning "
napablogger wrote on Aug 24, 2009 9:09 PM:
The man's name is Ron Seeling, which is what the link I gave revealed. He is the actuary for Cal Pers. The context is that he was at a public meeting and that is what he said. The source is Ed Mendel whose whole career consists of covering California Pension issues and shows up at virtually every important meeting to report about them.
No one has questioned Seeley's quote despite the fact that it has been major news up and down the state, including Seeley himself. Sounds like he said it.
What he said is no news to those like myself who have been following the issue, but it is gratifying to have someone like him, an expert and one who is on the union side, verify the the truth.
I don't know what else to tell you. "