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buddha_bby wrote on Oct 25, 2009 3:28 PM:
badheadache wrote on Oct 25, 2009 3:48 PM:
raybo wrote on Oct 25, 2009 4:31 PM:
napan79 wrote on Oct 25, 2009 4:51 PM:
busymom wrote on Oct 25, 2009 5:10 PM:
Our prayers are with you Ferrario's. "
QofV63baby wrote on Oct 25, 2009 5:43 PM:
We all make poor choices but I FAIL to believe that this was his choice and I am NOT a naive parent, my children aren't angels and I don't pretend that they are..
All my best to Anthony and his parents and grandparents, they are all true blue folks that will be very supportive of this child and I pray that our courts show empathy for what truly is not the character of this child.
Please note, I have never met this boy, but if my child says he's good, HE'S GREAT! "
faziggyzoink wrote on Oct 25, 2009 5:43 PM:
Cowboy wrote on Oct 25, 2009 5:58 PM:
Tasers are now the new cop toy for street justice, so cops don't have to get their hands dirty.
Officers still train for hand-to-hand with unarmed combatants, but with a Taser they won't risk breaking a fingernail.
The litmus test for Taser use should be: "Would I have shot the perp with a gun if I didn't have the Taser?"
And liberals call waterboarding "torture". Haaaaaa..... "
JustMyyOpinion wrote on Oct 25, 2009 6:11 PM:
Really weird and I'm just as glad I didn't see this! "
TeriLyn1980 wrote on Oct 25, 2009 6:15 PM:
Our prayers are with you Ferrario's. "
CaptnLee01 wrote on Oct 25, 2009 6:26 PM:
alixzander wrote on Oct 25, 2009 6:32 PM:
MGMasters wrote on Oct 25, 2009 6:36 PM:
I wish all of the Ferrarios luck. "
Little Lord Fauntleroy wrote on Oct 25, 2009 7:04 PM:
steph wrote on Oct 25, 2009 7:42 PM:
Two Cents wrote on Oct 25, 2009 7:58 PM:
Did it occur to anyone that this kid may have been slipped something in his drink? Completely unknowing to him and out of his control?
Did you ever consider his safety and what could have happened to him while in this state?
I know these people well. They are a great family and very involved with their kids.
They deserve the support of their community, which they give back to everyday in their jobs.
My prayers and thoughts go out to the Ferrario family, especially Anthony, who will have to suffer the ruthlessness of peoples words, on top of what will already be a rough road ahead. "
walktothepark wrote on Oct 25, 2009 8:07 PM:
ysoserious wrote on Oct 25, 2009 8:11 PM:
see what i did there? "
psychochik wrote on Oct 25, 2009 8:20 PM:
If youve never dealt with a person high on amphetamines or any kind of stimulant you know that it takes more than yealling stop to get them calmed. This guy sounds like he was high on something that rendered him a danger to everyone around him. I'm glad they used the taser instead of shooting him. "
jeepracer10 wrote on Oct 25, 2009 8:39 PM:
yoyo wrote on Oct 25, 2009 8:44 PM:
steph wrote on Oct 25, 2009 9:10 PM:
blackpony wrote on Oct 25, 2009 10:00 PM:
shareathought wrote on Oct 25, 2009 10:29 PM:
walktothepark (10/25, 8:07PM) wrote:
“Tasering someone on drugs is especially dangerous and can be lethal.”
According to “Emergency Medicine Australasia” walktothepark is correct. There are many side effects or possible side effects…
“The possibility of inducing cardiac arrhythmias”
“Excited delirium: the risk of sudden death is tasering of drug users and those who have exhibited extreme physical exertion.”
http://www.sciencemediacentre.co.nz/2009/07/24/tasers-what-are-the-health-implications/
With the new weapons available to use on our citizenry, there is a push by a/the Taser company to make these available and legal to anyone for "self-defense".
“THE manufacturer of the Taser stun gun is sparking new controversy with the commercial launch of a long-range version that can be fired from a 12-bore shotgun.”
“A team … at Wayne State University in Detroit, Michigan, found that some of the … cartridges that Taser supplied for testing last year were capable of delivering an electric shock for more than 5 minutes, rather than the 20 seconds of shocking current they are supposed to generate.”
“…Taser did ship some pre-production batches to US police departments.”
August 26, 2009
http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2009/08/27/long-range-taser-found-to-be-a-health-risk-on-the-receiving-end/
“Earlier this month, the Arizona-based manufacturer warned Taser jolts to the chest could be linked to cardiac arrest or other medical conditions.”
“The warning states eliminating chest shots ''avoids the controversy about whether [electronic control devices] do or do not affect the human heart.''
The Morning Call October 20, 2009
http://www.mcall.com/news/all-a5_4taser.7056804oct20,0,4286065.story "
Viola wrote on Oct 25, 2009 10:44 PM:
carno75 wrote on Oct 25, 2009 10:50 PM:
alixzander wrote on Oct 25, 2009 11:19 PM:
using a taser in this circumstance could have been just as lethal as using a gun. i would have preferred that they restrain him through a non-lethal method. "
happyday wrote on Oct 26, 2009 12:29 AM:
Whatever the cause, I hope he gets the help he needs and gets his life back on track. My heart goes out to his family. "
ambonizay wrote on Oct 26, 2009 6:05 AM:
ambonizay wrote on Oct 26, 2009 6:12 AM:
bryanpoli wrote on Oct 26, 2009 6:55 AM:
See you in San Francisco "
Napagrrl wrote on Oct 26, 2009 8:37 AM:
what the wrote on Oct 26, 2009 8:57 AM:
shareathought wrote on Oct 26, 2009 9:13 AM:
“put him on a secure road to recovery”
How do we know he is ill?
“they're good people”
And these kinds of things shouldn’t happen to “bad” people either.
“Did it occur to anyone that this kid may have been slipped something in his drink”
“Is it possible he wasn't on any drugs and was just in a manic state?
sad that its always assumed drugs are the culprit”
“that's yet to be determined”
“i would have preferred that they... [physically restrained him].”
“If it can happen to this family it can happen to anyone's family.”
Happyday; my thoughts are similar to yours…
Severe reactions to toxins, in our environment (either naturally occurring or man-made), are a possibility (remember our historic witch hunts?). We have just had rains followed by warm sunny weather; fungi, molds and moss’ have been growing. Some can be ingested when attached to other plants then, cause a physiological reaction. It is also possible a medical condition he was unaware of __ things such as (God forbid), a head injury, stroke, or a tumor emerged. Let is pray it is a one-time reaction (and neither a head trauma nor a mental illness), and that his body is able to cleanse itself. "
cheezcakemaker wrote on Oct 26, 2009 9:16 AM:
Lets open fifty medical maryjane dispensaries here in Napa so we can read more of these stories!! "
faziggyzoink wrote on Oct 26, 2009 10:05 AM:
Twocentsguy wrote on Oct 26, 2009 10:19 AM:
caligrown707 wrote on Oct 26, 2009 10:33 AM:
firststreetmayor wrote on Oct 26, 2009 10:35 AM:
cheezcakemaker wrote on Oct 26, 2009 9:16 AM:
" So, pot never caused anyone do anything stupid?
Lets open fifty medical maryjane dispensaries here in Napa so we can read more of these stories!! "
Controlled substance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A controlled substance is generally a drug or chemical whose manufacture, possession, and use are regulated by a government. This may include illegal drugs ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_substance - Cached - Similar "
selim wrote on Oct 26, 2009 10:36 AM:
So as opposed to being covered with bruises and possibly getting a broken bone or three, the perp now just has two little spots where the taser hit him. Everybody lived, nobody got too hurt. Now, is that better or worse than being wrestled to the ground by three cops?
And no, cheezcakemaker, pot never caused anyone to do anything THIS stupid. The most harmful thing pot makes you do is eat Jack In The Box at 2 in the morning. "
vocal-de-local wrote on Oct 26, 2009 10:51 AM:
Psychiatric conditions exist which can sometimes be fixed with a certain vitamin which is needed to catalyze certain enzyme reactions. It takes a lot of searching to make the connection though. Unfortunately, so many of these psychiatric cases just become thrown away people.
This young man needs a thorough workup once it is proven that he wasn't overdosing on illegal drugs. One of the first things that I would do would be to get an MRI of the brain, check the thyroid gland to make certain that hyperthyroidism isn't involved, calcium levels etc. If this young man tends to go into these episodes, try getting blood work done during an episode.
I mention this because my older son has gone into hyperthyroidism before. He becomes somewhat agitated from it. He has never gotten to the point of running around naked though. I just don't know what I'd do if that happened! But he did end out in the emergency room, when he was in his late teens, from cardiac involvement. And I will say this: smoking pot set it all in motion. If a person already has a pre-existing medical condition, drugs CAN magnify it. "
109823 wrote on Oct 26, 2009 12:42 PM:
cheezcakemaker wrote on Oct 26, 2009 12:45 PM:
Caligrown 707 says: "you don't sound like you know very much about marijuana and how it works. maybe if you did, not only would you never have posted that comment, but you wouldn't feel the way you do about the dispensaries."
Selim says: "And no, cheezcakemaker, pot never caused anyone to do anything THIS stupid. The most harmful thing pot makes you do is eat Jack In The Box at 2 in the morning"
How would ya'll know?
Oh well, medical maryjane is just even more job security for law enforcement. "
cheezcakemaker wrote on Oct 26, 2009 12:52 PM:
Really?
Oblige us all then and provide some statistics that crime would be reduced with "legal" drug sales of controlled substances.
Maybe we should decriminalize driving under the influence while we are at it.
Maybe too much of the cali grown has gone up in smoke... "
vwcamp77 wrote on Oct 26, 2009 1:32 PM:
And I too know this family, they are wonderful people who will show their son and grandson love and compassion through this. "
ohmynapa wrote on Oct 26, 2009 1:36 PM:
ctworker wrote on Oct 26, 2009 2:45 PM:
As for the young man and his family, I hope that whatever issue caused this can be quickly discovered and taken care of and the healing can begin. "
adoptednapa wrote on Oct 26, 2009 2:46 PM:
Froggie1559 wrote on Oct 26, 2009 3:01 PM:
trixiebaron wrote on Oct 26, 2009 3:21 PM:
napavalley35 wrote on Oct 26, 2009 3:27 PM:
Willdizzle wrote on Oct 26, 2009 3:29 PM:
tiredofcomplainingnapkins wrote on Oct 26, 2009 3:33 PM:
You asked how caligrown and selom know the affects of marijuana? Well what do you know about the effects? And how did you come to that conclusion? Also whats statistics do you have to prove that a cannabis club would mean more job security for law enforcement? A CVS pharmacy opened recently on Imola with way more dangerous and addicting drugs then marijuana, I have yet to see a problem there? Please show your facts to back up your opinion "
jimihil wrote on Oct 26, 2009 3:36 PM:
srsly wrote on Oct 26, 2009 4:31 PM:
I hope this boy got some help with whatever was going on Saturday night.
Kudos to the police for their actions! "
rickw wrote on Oct 26, 2009 4:42 PM:
Why don't you call the PD and give them your number, so they can call you to wrestle the next naked man who is either on drugs or for some other reason acting erratic and aggressive. "
winewoman wrote on Oct 26, 2009 5:58 PM:
Speaking of privacy, there are a couple of posts here that are invasive - and could damage the individual and the family should this issue get into the legal system. Please be careful what you say and what information you share about people. Your words have a long life in the electronic world.
Which leads me to ask the question as to why comments are allowed in some articles. Really, there are some news stories that don't require commentary. Other newspapers limit comments/posts to some articles. Please, NVR, consider it. There have been several stories recently where readers comments have caused pain to the families of those involved. "
tiredofcomplainingnapkins wrote on Oct 26, 2009 6:22 PM:
Banks are robbed all the time but we still allow those to open, Liquor stores are robbed we allow those, stores are robbed we allow those, houses are robbed and we still live in those. Anything can be robbed, thats not a reason to keep something from being opened. "
blundc wrote on Oct 26, 2009 6:41 PM:
NapaMom wrote on Oct 26, 2009 8:23 PM:
caligrown707 wrote on Oct 26, 2009 8:28 PM:
anyway, there is simply no convincing reefer madness victims like cheezemaker, so I will not be putting a lot of time or effort into the debate; not to mention, one of the entire reasons i posted that post was to keep this exact thing from happening. there was no need for this to turn into a forum on the legalization of marijuana.
cheezemaker, read what i wrote, don't put words in my mouth. I said that if anything, it would reduce the number of stories like this in the paper; meaning that there is a greater likelihood that stories like these would occur less often rather than more often as you claimed. I provided a reason as to why: that being that medical marijuana in a dispensary has been inspected. in many dispensaries they even know whether the product was grown indoor, outdoor, in a greenhouse (it all makes a difference) and whether it was grown organically or not. many tell you which strands to use for different symptoms. Marijuana has been shown in study after study to be safe for medical use and even recreational use, but that is a different debate which I am not going to get into. The point is that on the streets you never know what you are going to get from a dealer. there is a much greater likelihood of marijuana being laced with something that could bring about symptoms like these. I have proposed numerous times that napa follow the dispensary guidelines of BPG with a security fence and security force team present at all times. and it is discreet. "
caligrown707 wrote on Oct 26, 2009 8:33 PM:
jmo wrote on Oct 26, 2009 9:39 PM:
SourPatchKid93 wrote on Oct 26, 2009 11:07 PM:
cheezecakemaker- You honestly, in MY opinion, don't know what you are talking about. I am all for caligrown707. S/he obviously knows what they are talking about. Cheezemaker, all you have done is badger everyone on here about how you think drugs are wrong. We all have our own opinions, obviously you have no experience in the drug department. So please stick to what you know.
I have a heart out to the family, best wishes to Anthony. "
reason-ator wrote on Oct 27, 2009 1:58 AM:
But one thing I'm reminded of- the dignity and class that many posters here convey or display can often significantly affect the receptiveness of people when they read ( and not hear ) the message.
I know I'm not one to talk ( I get frustrated sometimes with the broad spectrum of intelligence and the sometimes resultant poorly conceived attitudes, and some people take it personally when I do- duh ! ), and I apologize.
But it's nice to deal with facts.
If NPD hadn't stopped this guy and he had instead run into the streeet and been hit by a car, there are people who would be criticizing NPD for not tasering the poor guy so they could restrain him and protect him from hurting himself. I think that there are some people who would criticize NPD either way, no matter what they had done.
I can be highly critical and cynical about some of Law Enforcements tactics sometimes, but not here. They didn't have the hindsight yet.
This was going to be a No-Win situation, judging from the sound of it, and I hope our cops aren't extensively trained in wrestling with naked suspects. Although, given the right set of circumstances, it wouldn't necessarily have to be unpleasant....... "
napahawaiinapa wrote on Oct 27, 2009 3:41 AM:
napahawaiinapa wrote on Oct 27, 2009 6:14 AM:
mmolin wrote on Oct 27, 2009 9:55 AM:
Detritus wrote on Oct 27, 2009 9:57 AM:
yahurd707 wrote on Oct 27, 2009 10:05 AM:
shareathought wrote on Oct 27, 2009 10:41 AM:
Some have legitimate concerns that those having an out-of-control episode (perhaps, a once-in-a-lifetime ingestion/reaction to something such as PCP), might not recover from the effects or combination of effects if tasered.
It is a real dilemma (granted, tasing and recovery is better then deceased).
More have shown support of the officers involved believing they did their job.
If this young person has finished high school (and does not have a physiological need that prevents it), I would suggest he get away from this community, friends and even family for a while and into something completely different that will keep him busy such as AmeriCorps.
Otherwise, Godspeed. "
trixiebaron wrote on Oct 27, 2009 1:08 PM:
cagirl wrote on Oct 27, 2009 2:45 PM:
breanta wrote on Oct 27, 2009 6:36 PM:
napahawaiinapa wrote on Oct 28, 2009 3:51 AM:
ambonizay wrote on Oct 28, 2009 9:42 AM:
JustAnotherManicMonday wrote on Oct 28, 2009 9:48 AM:
I myself have an autoimmune form of Hyperthyroidism called "Graves Disease" which was some pretty wierd symtoms - like the hyperthyroidism, and also involving eye bulging (like Rodney Dangerfield)odd skin bumps. There is a "thyroid storm" where one can have a high temperature, heart palpitations, end up in the ER and even die (running around naked, sweating, looking like on drugs could fit right in).This teen's symptoms could be this, or I was thinking an onset of schizophrenia. I haven't hear of pot bringing on this hyperthyroid episode. Dental work can cause it (novacaine), any stimulant - meth, cocaine, energy drinks with taurine are VERY dangerous. Basically anything that would speed up your heart would not be good. Maybe there's a new form of marijuana at those pot clubs that "wakes up" people instead of putting them to sleep? If so that is very dangerous.
Hopefully this teen gets the medical treatment or intervention, whichever he needs. At times like this, I'd wish that the name was not sent out in the newspaper to give the family some privacy.
"I mention this because my older son has gone into hyperthyroidism before. He becomes somewhat agitated...end out in the emergency room, when he was in his late teens, from cardiac involvement. And I will say this: smoking pot set it all in motion. If a person already has a pre-existing medical condition, drugs CAN magnify it." "
flyingmanateegirl wrote on Oct 28, 2009 10:52 PM:
napahawaiinapa wrote on Oct 29, 2009 12:37 AM:
shareathought wrote on Nov 1, 2009 12:53 PM:
Opinions are interesting for any discussion, knowledge is better. "
drcitizen wrote on Nov 1, 2009 3:52 PM:
Mind_orbit wrote on Nov 2, 2009 5:16 AM:
napa707 wrote on Nov 6, 2009 12:08 PM: