City submits additional Napa Pipe comments

2011-04-21T18:30:00Z 2012-02-21T22:08:44Z City submits additional Napa Pipe comments Napa Valley Register
April 21, 2011 6:30 pm

The Napa City Council directed a consultant to turn in additional comments regarding the county’s Napa Pipe project on the city’s behalf.

The comments pertain to the county’s supplemental draft environmental impact report, which adds information to an existing environmental document.

Napa Pipe is a proposed 2,580-home project on a 154-acre industrial site off of Kaiser Road. The development also would include retail and restaurants, a condominium hotel, offices, industrial space and most recently, a school.

The city had numerous concerns with the original draft environmental impact report. The supplemental report raised yet more problems, said Harry Burrowes, president of HB Consulting Group.

Still unclear, he said, is:

• whether the project will use groundwater or surface water

• have its wastewater processed on-site or elsewhere

• how it will deal with other issues

“The city comments, no matter how alarmist, cannot change the basic, independently verified fact that we have two viable sources of water, each far in excess of the project’s needs,” Napa Pipe developer Keith Rogal said Thursday. He added that the project also has two viable wastewater options.

According to the city, the supplemental environmental report also fails to address new traffic conditions that a proposed Highway 221 flyover at its intersection with Highway 29 will create. And the city disagrees that the proposed school site is the best place for a school.

Rogal views the project’s traffic impacts more positively. “Less traffic will result from the proposed plan than would from the currently allowed industrial alternative (no matter what Caltrans plans for a Highway 221 flyover),” he said.

The addition of a school site was a voluntary contribution, Rogal said, adding that “ultimately it will be for the school district to decide.”

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(28) Comments

  1. NapaLove
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    NapaLove - April 21, 2011 9:20 pm
    I don't understand why the city of Napa needs to spend our tax dollars, which we can ill afford to study a project that is not in the city limits and that the county is already studying.
  2. jenny25
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    jenny25 - April 21, 2011 9:51 pm
    Someone explain to me while the city is in a $5 million shortfall we are wasting money on consultants to study a project that is in the county? Every city employee should be screaming to high heaven about this waste of tax payer money.
  3. Paddy
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    Paddy - April 21, 2011 10:00 pm
    Napa Pipe would be the worst thing to ever happen to Napa. I'm glad the city of Napa has identified some of the problems.

  4. napastudent2
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    napastudent2 - April 21, 2011 10:45 pm
    Maybe the city's consultant is reading a different report because the one I read studied the fly over and concluded that current industrial zoning would cause more traffic than building Napa Pipe.
  5. oldschool
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    oldschool - April 21, 2011 11:11 pm
    You have to wonder what is motivating the city council here to fight a project that has. Who is really pulling the strings?
  6. vocal-de-local
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    vocal-de-local - April 22, 2011 12:38 am
    Thankfully some other entity besides the County is studying the impact of this monstrosity. The City of Napa will be impacted by this project. It's in their best interest to fully evalute how the project will affect them.
  7. Cadence
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    Cadence - April 22, 2011 6:34 am
    Although it seems that to Rogal supporters, the ONLY job of the city is to dole out services, the reality is that a city is supposed to look out for the interests of its residents. A thriving city will do exactly that. This development will cost the residents of Napa dearly, both in paying for the schools and sitting in traffic congestion and that doesn't even take into account the water issue.
  8. 5th Generation Napan
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    5th Generation Napan - April 22, 2011 7:42 am
    It would still be nice if the same effort was used to secure a manufacturing company there to bring good blue collar jobs to Napa. Commuting to Napa Pipe to work would sure be nicer than commutting to Vacaville, Fairfield,Oakland or the Bay Area. I just wish we had people here that thought like Oregon Mill and Pipe. You know Napa Pipe did not go out of business. They moved it so THEIR LOCAL PEOPLE would have good jobs! Too bad no one here gives a hoot!!!!!!
    Oh yah, I forgot, we will employ carpenters for a couple of years before they suck the city services out of Napa. Well that is IF the housing market changes and they even build 2300 homes before the school, before the retail and warehouses (I mean industrial buildings).
    Wake UP we need to secure a Factory with good jobs out there! Not use up the land for homes that are already vacant here in Napa, and American Canyon!
  9. oldschool
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    oldschool - April 22, 2011 10:11 am
    The last thing we need is to build a factory at Napa Pipe, we already have a huge jobs housing in balance and that will only cause more traffic than the plan to build the homes there. Do you want more clogged roads? Wake Up and step outside your bubble. We can't continue to try to keep people out of this county, especially the ones that keep this county running working at our hospitals, vineyards and schools that are forced to commute in everyday because they can't afford homes here.
  10. Mama San
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    Mama San - April 22, 2011 10:23 am
    I agree with 5th Generation = this place needs to be what it was designed for. Manufacturing. All the traffic leaving Napa every morning to go to other cities to work is a real problem. All those productive hours lost going to and from work are hours that would benefit from other activities.
  11. winelover80
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    winelover80 - April 22, 2011 10:48 am
    The job of the City Council is to steward the city in city matters not spend our tax dollars studying a project that they have no jurisdiction over. Although I am sure they would love to, so they can build another luxury hotel or some other high end homes that we don't need and won't address our problems, but could help them make some money.
  12. winewoman
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    winewoman - April 22, 2011 11:59 am
    oldschool said, "huge job housing in balance" - perhaps you mean "imbalance". Step out of your own bubble and you would realize that Napa residents (that's people who aleady live here, own homes, have children in school, and pay taxes) are commuting OUT of Napa to work. Bringing business into a community to employ locals does not clog roads - building a community of "affordable" housing does clog roads because invevitably those peoople commute to work. Not to mention the drain on community and natural resources. Did I mention increased unemployment? What do you think the health of a community is when they have high unemployment, overextended resources, affordable homes that sit empty and a community left to pick up the pieces? Happy to cite real life examples for you.
  13. Sickothis
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    Sickothis - April 22, 2011 12:01 pm
    5th Generation Napan and Mama San - I'm sure Rogal would be more than happy to build you a giant manufacturing plant to meet your specs and lease it back to you. What's your company? What do you want to manufacture there there? Cars? Silicon chips? Medical Equipment?

    And as napastudent2 said - current industrial zoning would cause more traffic than building Napa Pipe, and use as much if not more water.
  14. 5th Generation Napan
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    5th Generation Napan - April 22, 2011 12:08 pm
    Sorry Old School, but I remember when people and their children could afford nice housing here, when we had good jobs at, Mare Is., Kaiser, Napa Pipe, Basalt, and Sire Industries. We are now at a job Im balance here. Since we have become a tasting room for the wine industry the jobs are not here for the average person. There is a lot of traffic coming into town, granted but I see much much more going out of town for people to work in Vacaville, Fairfield, Oakland, S.F. and the East and South Bay where the JOBS ARE!


    Someone could put a company there (humm like www.stirlingenergy.com) and make good jobs for Napa. Its about time we get people good jobs instead of giving them houses and laying them off and look at forclosed homes rot!

    It really amazes me at how many people are so afraid of manufacturing, when it was manufacturing that made us great! Since we lost and out sourced / off shored manufacturing have you noticed the problems we've been having? Or is it just me seeing it?
  15. Paddy
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    Paddy - April 22, 2011 12:36 pm
    5th Generation is correct: "Sorry Old School, but I remember when people and their children could afford nice housing here, when we had good jobs at, Mare Is., Kaiser, Napa Pipe, Basalt, and Sire Industries."

    Oldschool, quick search of how many units are for sale right now for $300,000 and under reveals over 900 are on the market in both 94558 and 94559 area codes. Where's the shortage of affordable housing?

    Your statements of more traffic for if a commercial venture is built at Napa Pipe is unfounded. You may have more traffic during start of work day/end of work day but you don't have traffic coming and going all day and the traffic signal (that didn't exist until a few years ago) perpetually on red for everyone coming into or trying to leave Napa.
  16. winewoman
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    winewoman - April 22, 2011 12:38 pm
    winelover80 - uhhmmm, tourist dollars (including and most importantly) hotel taxes keep this community going. Chase away the tourists with roads that are seized up with traffic and vacant deteriorating houses, well, the tourists (and their money) go away. Then we're just stuck with empty affordable houses, high unemployment and no industry to support the community.
  17. napastudent2
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    napastudent2 - April 22, 2011 12:47 pm
    Let's be clear, Napa Pipe is in the county, not the city, so the city will not be providing services. They have enough issues with how to keep services going with the budget shortfalls why are they worrying about a project that they don't even need to service. I mean honestly what's really going on here.
  18. oldschool
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    oldschool - April 22, 2011 1:04 pm
    Winewoman you clearly need to do some fact checking. Go to the ABAG website and you will see that currently Napa County is suffering a jobs/housing IMBALANCE and it is only going to continue to get worse. The fact is more people commute into Napa for work than leave the county. Everyone knows its because the people that work here, can't afford the homes here. All you are doing is trying to keep working class folks who help keep this county running out and that's just wrong!
  19. So It Goes
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    So It Goes - April 22, 2011 2:36 pm
    napastudent2 said: "Let's be clear, Napa Pipe is in the county, not the city, so the city will not be providing services. They have enough issues with how to keep services going with the budget shortfalls why are they worrying about a project that they don't even need to service. I mean honestly what's really going on here."

    oldschool said:"Winewoman you clearly need to do some fact checking. Go to the ABAG website and you will see...Everyone knows..."

    What a bunch of bologna!
    Is this what is meant when some complain about students coming out of schools lacking analytical skills; the ability to assess data?

    Let us also consider the number of "condos" in foreclosure around Napa.

    This is what this NPipe is...STACKED CONDOs.
    Buyers will need to pay a management company(s) to handle all their money and paperwork.
    Aware of the #'s of condo associations in Napa taking a bath due to owners unable pay their monthly CONDO DUES?

    They "might" be able to recoup 60% of missing $1000's.
  20. ManMan
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    ManMan - April 22, 2011 3:03 pm
    There is already industrial space planned for, the last thing we need is to perpetuate the cycle that has led to our traffic problems. And tell me 5th generation can you name a big industrial employer that wants to move to Napa???
  21. So It Goes
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    So It Goes - April 22, 2011 3:21 pm
    Napa Pipe is a large condo project.
    This "low cost housing" will need 1 or 2 costly management companies to manage thees 7 story stacked "homes", and collect monthly dues.

    The condo dues (if paid) are supposed to cover the management's fees, the building's up-keep, landscapers, legal issues, neighbor problems/ condo-rule violations, maintenance, towing, water/garbage/electrical/? fees, unplanned repairs & contractors, insurance, "special assessments" to owners, and on and on...

    On top of what an owner pays for his "house" he is required to pay his monthly dues to help support the buildings infrastructure and management companies$$.

    One 100 unit condo project in Napa currently has 13 units in foreclosure, which means no dues is paid for each unit; other owners are loosing value every month from these unpaid dues.

    Some units are behind in dues by $13,000 plus.
    And, people are squatting in some of the units.
    It's the "bank's" house; the owner walked away.
    Sound like low cost?

  22. winewoman
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    winewoman - April 22, 2011 6:06 pm
    Oh, Oldschool, you have no idea. You are using the "everyone knows" logic and, unfortunately for you, most of us know the glaring fault in that logic. Recent and real data show that Napa residents commute out of town for work. You can see this for yourself - look at Napa's demographics and do a little math. It's actually fairly easy. Let me know if you need help with that - happy to do what I can to help educate.
  23. winewoman
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    winewoman - April 22, 2011 6:14 pm
    ManMan, ah - and therein lies the problem, don't you think? What is the root cause as to why industry is not moving to this area. Answer: there is no incentive for them to move here. Imagine if there was..incentive, that is. Industry keeps communities viable and recession resistant. There are many very good reasons to encourage industry/business in a community. Economics, my man, ManMan.
  24. Wallden
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    Wallden - April 24, 2011 7:57 am
    Napa Pipe = Housing Project...and all affiliated ills. Any questions, check the Chicago Housing Authority archives. Do you think Napa will do any better? The existing code enforcement administration can't manage the property management companies at present. You can be certain failures far outnumber successes much to the detriment of the surrounding community.
  25. Wallden
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    Wallden - April 24, 2011 8:36 am
    winewoman said: "ManMan, ah - and therein lies the problem, don't you think? What is the root cause as to why industry is not moving to this area. Answer: there is no incentive for them to move here. Imagine if there was..incentive, that is. Industry keeps communities viable and recession resistant. There are many very good reasons to encourage industry/business in a community. Economics, my man, ManMan."

    And what do you propose to offer as incentives to these businesses. Public money in the form of some type of tax deal for a decade? There are many, many individuals in this community with any skill set a business would require. Close to major highways 80 and 101. A Junior Collage practically down the street with a wealth of a student pool for internships. That should be incentive enough for a company. No more give aways.
  26. Skeptik
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    Skeptik - April 24, 2011 9:01 am
    Winewoman what did you have in mind? Is incentive a code word for subsidy? The Community College concentrates it's efforts in a number areas: Hospitality, Viticulture, Law Enforcement and Nursing while vocational programs continue to languish. We can buy it, sell it, fix it, but not make it. To make things there has to be an infrastructure that supports such an endevour. I'm not seeing it here.
  27. Skeptik
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    Skeptik - April 24, 2011 9:14 am
    5th Gen
    What a great Idea. A solar manufacturing facility here in Napa. With the panel farm at the college that could be used as a teaching resource, source of internships and practical lab. I'd heard last year that that a Solar Technology curriculum was in the proposal stage but to my knowledge never came to fruition. The closest such program that I know of is at Diablo Valley College.
  28. winewoman
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    winewoman - April 24, 2011 12:54 pm
    Wal and Skep - guys, guys, never did I mention subsidies or public monies. I'm saying that in order for businesses to move here, there must be an incentive, i.e., reason for them to do so. Obvioulsy the proximity to the highway and junior college level talent is not enough for them to do so. I don't have the answer - but we need to find out what it is. Have you heard that Napa is not business friendly? What do you suppose that means?
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